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all right folks good evening welcome to

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arcane radio there's not going to be an

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intro tonight because apparently i

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killed the file

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but that's okay lana and i are here

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got this big red flashing banner on my

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page that says

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error can't load track we don't piss off

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someone's trying to reconnect

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oh i'm telling you so that's what

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happened huh yeah oh well

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here we are arcane radio folks who

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weren't able to make it monday i

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apologize

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oh forkchop was under the weather and

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lon was gracious to change things up

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because

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you didn't want to hear what was coming

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out of me

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we had food poisoning didn't you i don't

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know what the hell i had man i felt

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terrible i

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i got home from work my boss was nice

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let me go home a little early on monday

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when i got home i don't know it just hit

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me like a ton of bricks and i was

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but yeah i couldn't stand it finally

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last couple days i got a good night's

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sleep

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and uh here we are on tonight going to

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talk about

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alien abduction with uh brett oldham

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yeah this will be an interesting show

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it's gonna be very interesting very

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interesting indeed

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uh you know i'll be honest with you i i

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only read parts of the book i read

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experts of it from uh actually a couple

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years ago but i've got some

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things written down also but i know his

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story

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he was actually part of the

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monsters of mysteries america's first

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the when he was living in las vegas and

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i guess then it was part of that um

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that desert wasteland episode the last

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on i remember that

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yeah they were he had the last segment

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of the show and they were talking about

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the um

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about the abduction and everything he

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and his

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girlfriend went through so you know

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we'll let him

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tell everything and uh it's compa

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it's a compelling story and uh uh

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it really makes you think you know i've

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been through

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this with a lot of witnesses and a lot

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of

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experiences over the years and

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you know it's not fun and games i mean

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these

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serious stuff and uh

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some of the things these people go

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through is horrendous

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that's just a simple word for it well

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you know lon you're

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you've investigated this for a long time

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you've interviewed

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countless amounts of people that have

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uh let's just call it what we believe it

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alien abduction correct they've

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experienced they've been part of this

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the traumatic uh these traumatic

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i yield to you on this me am i a little

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skeptical about it hell yeah i'm a

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little

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skeptical about it doesn't mean i can't

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be respectful about it

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and i might ask a couple questions

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tonight that might be a little skeptical

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but please note

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that lon you know me you know i'm about

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i'd never be disrespectful to somebody

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so folks are expecting someone to be a

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uh skeptical and

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maybe a little overheated not gonna

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happen here tonight

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this show is for our guests to tell

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listeners about their experiences

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and for lon and i to discuss it with

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them not to make them feel like they're

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guests uh in our home or on our program

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i just wanted to put that out there

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yeah i mean you know it's um well

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there's got to be something to it i mean

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there's too many people

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through this stuff and you know i don't

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know if it's to the degree that a lot of

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abduction researchers in the past and

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people have been abducted in the past

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some it's just you know their story is

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know something

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something happened um brett's story

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is very similar to what

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i have been told by other experiencers

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and uh when he he starts to explain

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what happened uh

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i'm you'll you'll kind of see uh

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what i'm talking about and i'm gonna you

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put a few things in every

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all in all we're just gonna tell a story

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definitely we want them to tell our

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you know feedback from the listeners

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we've got over the last couple weeks is

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even though they appreciate you and i

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sharing our experiences and our passion

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on things sometimes they'd like to hear

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a little bit more about the listener

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and it was really good feedback and uh

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we take that feedback to heart

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as always email us your comments and

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arcane radio dot com lawn arcane radio

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dot com or shawn at arcaneranio.com i'm

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sorry

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it's launch strickler at arcane radio

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seanforker at arcaneradio.com

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and uh we make sure we read each and

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every email that you folks send us so

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send us your comments uh we love the

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feedback but we're gonna take this

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feedback and always improve the show and

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that starts tonight so you wanted to

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hear about the

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this gentleman's stories we're gonna let

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him tell them to you

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and when we have a question or thought

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we're gonna pop in and uh

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ask away and i think that's that's a

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pretty good way to do it lon

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um as far as the show goes you mentioned

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about possibly changing the show to a

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you know that doesn't sound bad to me i

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you know it's up to you and what the

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listeners are you know

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you know think about it so if you've got

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you've got any feedback on that folks

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let us know this wouldn't be something

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we do for a couple months but

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let us know if wednesday night's a

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better night for

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you know the listenership so um well i'm

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taking that feedback from the listeners

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oh pardon me hiccup there from my uh

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uh green tea cheap plug and uh

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that the shoe was moving the show

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was moving to wednesday uh they were a

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little excited about it because more

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folks were able to participate and

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participating in the program

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uh so i'm kind of encouraged by that and

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like lon said it won't be for a couple

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and we're also kicking around uh going

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on another format too that's right

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we're kicking that around you know we

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don't know uh if we're going to stay

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with mixeler or go

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somewhere else but we'll still be here

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that's right of course

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we're just trying to fix the quality

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make sure the quality is

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consistent and uh you know

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though it has it sounded good last week

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tonight it sounded pretty good as well

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so we'll have to wait and see

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yeah definitely but i i want folks to

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know that again lon this is a work in

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progress we're always trying to be

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uh for them because without them well

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you and i would still be here but

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well yeah we do a lot of that anyway

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that's true that's true what do you got

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for us tonight lon

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oh man let's see not a whole lot but it

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you know i do have a few things

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uh transcripts from a friend of mine

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jamie bryan he's uh a young man in

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canada that listens to i mean he must

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listen to all the radio shows

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and he transcribes a lot of them and

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some of the stories that people call

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in he transcribes and sends off to me

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truly appreciate i mean it's fantastic

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some of the stuff is great

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week that i thought was pretty

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basically aliens

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but um he said that

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and i think the show was uh in court

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maybe somebody

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you know peop some people had listened

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to it it was on the claude lewis ground

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zero show back last may

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and uh he says here that

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a woman by the name of laura in michigan

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called into the show to talk about a

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bizarre

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sighting she had at a costco

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and uh she said that he said that this

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case happened in michigan

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and the caller never but caller never

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indicated a date

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so this is what she uh this is what she

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uh myself and my two daughters and going

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we were at costco we were approaching

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court and my daughter had seen an odd

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couple and she had kind of whispered to

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adorable daughtering old couple

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feeling about them i said i don't think

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we proceeded to go over we ordered pizza

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we were going to sit down with the pizza

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considered our table

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we had more room to sit there and eat i

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brain tumor or something like that

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and i sparked the conversation because

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my daughter

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who's 25 now had had brain surgery for

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brain cancer when she was 11 years old

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so we started talking to them a little

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bit and they declined but they declined

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the pizza off because

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uh whatever i forget which i can't kind

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of understand what you wrote here so we

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just kind of talked them a little bit

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anyway when we were getting up getting

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ready to leave

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i said hey uh what's your name i want to

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pray for you

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uh she kind of stammered a little bit

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and as she stammered and stuttered a

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little i saw what looked like a hologram

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over her face and through the hologram

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i could see a head shape and could kind

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of see

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and kind of make out features a little

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bit

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uh not a whole lot but to me it looked

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like what people call

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a gray a gray alien

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so after that she told me her name was

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ruth

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and i don't remember them walking away i

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don't remember none of that

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the next thing i knew we were kind of

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all of us we didn't speak about it at

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all

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uh so we were in the middle of the

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parking lot going towards my vehicle

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and i kind of said hey did anybody

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notice anything weird about rude's face

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that's when my 25 year old said yeah

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that's kind of weird

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she goes it looked kind of like a mirage

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or something

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kind of like wavy wavy across her face

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and i said yeah did you see anything

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else and

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i said like beyond that and she said no

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why i said because i did

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it was just so surreal and it still is

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to me it seemed like it was yesterday i

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mean they got

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they get tired of me talking about it

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but you know i mean

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what are you gonna do there's nothing

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that you can

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you know people are going to think and

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i'm out of my mind i told my husband and

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my daughters

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my 21 year old 25 year old we just

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discussed it so much of

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like they you know much you know so much

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that they keep telling me to stop

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so why did this happen to me why could i

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see it my daughter couldn't

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uh she could sense there was something

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wrong with them i don't know

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i just wanted to call and tell you about

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it

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well that's kind of a weird story but i

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tell you

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i do hear and i do get

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you know comments from people on similar

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you know encounters for whatever reason

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um you know

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are they among us yeah i think they

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probably are

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uh i think our guest probably thinks

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they may be as well

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uh though his situation is somewhat

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different

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but as far as being here with us

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uh i don't know

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it's uh it's kind of a strange story but

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you know

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some people do have a way of changing

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you know the way they look very quickly

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but as far as something like this

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like a mirage or something or

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like a shape shifter that's a bit

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so i just give that to you for your

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for you the listener to make up your own

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mind

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that that's a weird one

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um what aren't they weird they're always

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weird but sometimes they're really weird

377
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yeah yeah we got some really interesting

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ones sometimes you know i um

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yeah what's this one here must be

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something about

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costco because uh i'm

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i i just pulled up a story here from

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another costco

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uh the costco baby now i had this for a

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while

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what uh yeah this is something else i

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wanted to

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bring it's another alien story uh in

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september 2009

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a memphis tennessee woman called into

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tennessee mufon to report that she was

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sure

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she had just had an encounter with an

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alien human hybrid baby

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at costco's in cordova tennessee

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you know i did it's funny because i just

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ran up against this i

398
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that's funny i i didn't know i had this

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anyway

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coincidences i think none yeah that's

401
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weird she and her granddaughter had gone

402
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there

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to pick up a birthday cake as soon as

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they walked through the entrance a tall

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asian looking man he was apparently in a

406
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big hurry walked directly across their

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path

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almost running into them he was dressed

409
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casually in all black clothing

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and had a caucasian-like infant in a

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carrier basket strapped in front of him

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he seemed to take no notice whatsoever

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her on her granddaughter as she marched

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on past them

415
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without one word of apology for the near

416
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collision with them

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my uh correspondent who had asked to

418
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remain anonymous told me

419
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that and then this was actually a report

420
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to mufon told me that seeing a man

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of asian descent who was over six foot

422
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tall was in itself

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unusual but she had to confess that the

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racial contradiction between himself and

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the infant

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companion startled her more than

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anything else

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uh now she didn't get a good look at the

429
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baby at the time

430
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if she had she might have stopped in her

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tracks wiped then

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and there and asked her granddaughter

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did you see that

434
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but neither she or her granddaughter

435
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commented on that moment

436
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about this sudden close encounter how

437
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old was the baby

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i don't know i because like is you know

439
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because he's asian and the baby's

440
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caucasian have he

441
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don't know the babies look like asian i

442
00:16:18,790 --> 00:16:16,320
mean for crying out loud

443
00:16:19,990 --> 00:16:18,800
oh i don't know well i always think so

444
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they all have the i don't know

445
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so that's a weird one um

446
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that that's weird in fact this um this

447
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story actually i think came to linda

448
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uh linda molten howe

449
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yeah that's pretty weird but i don't

450
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know

451
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of uh in a store like that where a woman

452
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and her daughter or when her

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granddaughter

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had seen a baby in a carrier where he

455
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had you know the eyes turned

456
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black as she was looking at him that

457
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would freak me out

458
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not that i'm encouraging everybody to go

459
00:17:02,949 --> 00:17:01,360
out and punt babies but if that thing's

460
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eyes rolled over black and

461
00:17:09,189 --> 00:17:08,789
uh here's another one i had and i've had

462
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this

463
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for a while but uh it's pretty

464
00:17:17,029 --> 00:17:12,959
interesting

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um it's about a woman named

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delia who's puerto rican uh

467
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she was just one of many women who have

468
00:17:26,630 --> 00:17:23,839
been abducted

469
00:17:27,669 --> 00:17:26,640
by ufo delia is married and has two

470
00:17:29,750 --> 00:17:27,679
other children

471
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one is 16 years old and the other was

472
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five

473
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now let me just say first of all

474
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for some reason and you know i have

475
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gotten a lot of reports of puerto rico

476
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over the years i was going to say this

477
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sounds like something we talked about a

478
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couple weeks ago

479
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this is something different okay here we

480
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go

481
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yeah i've had something i've had a lot

482
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of cases

483
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from puerto rico and in fact i had and i

484
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will pull it out one day it's a long

485
00:18:01,510 --> 00:18:00,320
it's a long read but it's from a woman

486
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maria rivera

487
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she um she used to live

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in the interior of puerto rico

489
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and surround her house was surrounded by

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rainforest

491
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and she was abducted at one time and

492
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she's had

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several friends ever she said were

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abducted as well

495
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so you know i'm just i'm just putting

496
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that premise out there before i read

497
00:18:24,950 --> 00:18:22,799
this

498
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so she was abducted and some friends

499
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were abducted

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at the same location and maria's story

501
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which is interesting

502
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she had cancer and after she was

503
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abducted

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she was cancer-free after that and the

505
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doctor i mean

506
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she went for an mri in fact she went to

507
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the she had to go into new york because

508
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she has a house in new york as well

509
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went to see the doctor and they did an

510
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mri and it

511
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the tumor was gone and she hadn't even

512
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taken treatment yet

513
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well anyway um so that

514
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this is a narration of delia's

515
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extraordinary experience

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uh she describes how she was abducted

517
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got pregnant by an extraterrestrial

518
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uh gave birth to a child which she

519
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described as half human and have

520
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extraterrestrials

521
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what is it with these with this i mean

522
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:16,320
it bugs me a little bit and i'm sorry to

523
00:19:20,070 --> 00:19:18,080
just jump on you there like

524
00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:20,080
extraterrestrials go ahead i mean this

525
00:19:23,909 --> 00:19:22,240
is a long story so i'm not really gonna

526
00:19:25,510 --> 00:19:23,919
i'm not gonna really read it all but

527
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:25,520
yeah go ahead let's talk about this

528
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do they have nothing better to do than

529
00:19:31,909 --> 00:19:28,799
to come to our planet and knock women up

530
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i mean i don't know

531
00:19:35,830 --> 00:19:34,960
i think um you know i think this is

532
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something that

533
00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:39,200
we're going to get into a bread because

534
00:19:42,470 --> 00:19:41,760
you know of course he's going through

535
00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:42,480
this

536
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and i you know i heard something today

537
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about

538
00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:55,360
meeting emissaries from and having

539
00:20:01,270 --> 00:19:58,000
treaties and such with these aliens

540
00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:01,280
apparently the story is and

541
00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:04,960
it's hard to really you know to really

542
00:20:08,230 --> 00:20:07,679
base any of this as fact because all of

543
00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:08,240
it

544
00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:10,480
for the most part is anecdotal anyway

545
00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:12,000
i'm really trying to make a

546
00:20:15,669 --> 00:20:14,240
not make a bill cosby joke at all this i

547
00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:15,679
do i'm just letting you know this

548
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:20,080
i'm like biting my tongue but uh

549
00:20:26,789 --> 00:20:23,760
i believe now and and i think brett

550
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:26,799
agrees to this and we'll ask him later

551
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:31,200
that these grays

552
00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:34,559
may are may possibly be trying to

553
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:36,400
reinforce

554
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:39,440
their species somehow with

555
00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:42,480
human dna now i don't know

556
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:43,760
i don't know if that's the reason for

557
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:45,760
the hybrids

558
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:49,360
or you know if we're allowing them to do

559
00:20:52,549 --> 00:20:49,760
this

560
00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:52,559
for exchange for technology i think

561
00:20:58,390 --> 00:20:54,880
there may be something to that

562
00:20:59,190 --> 00:20:58,400
i have heard lots of different stories

563
00:21:02,390 --> 00:20:59,200
about

564
00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:02,400
treaties and this all goes along with

565
00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:03,280
the dolce

566
00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:05,520
underground and a lot of other areas out

567
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:07,200
in the southwest

568
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:14,230
and breeding is is taking place it's

569
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:16,320
like intergalactic political

570
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:17,360
prostitution

571
00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:20,799
is what all this you know it you know

572
00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:23,200
it's i don't know it's just there's been

573
00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:24,880
so many different

574
00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:29,440
takes on this um

575
00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:31,360
i've got my i've actually got my own

576
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:32,559
theories but

577
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:34,640
it's disturbing it's a disturbing line

578
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:36,320
of thought for me to go down to just

579
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:37,039
think

580
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:40,000
just for the remote possibility that

581
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:40,880
this is all

582
00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:44,640
sanctioned governmental behavior

583
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:46,960
that it just bugs me to no end like this

584
00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:48,720
is real x-files [\h__\h]

585
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:51,360
pardon my language and it just bugs me

586
00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:54,400
like it's making my skin crawl

587
00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:57,039
well you know we had uh you remember we

588
00:22:02,149 --> 00:21:59,360
had uh

589
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:02,159
oh god nick redford on just a couple

590
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:03,360
weeks ago

591
00:22:06,549 --> 00:22:05,039
well about a month or so ago and you

592
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:06,559
know he was talking about the

593
00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:10,400
rh negative factor uh

594
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:11,919
coming up in just the smallest

595
00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:13,840
percentage of the legacy bloodline we

596
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:14,720
were talking about

597
00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:18,320
and uh you know after after we had

598
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:19,760
talked about that i've been checking

599
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:21,760
into a lot of that

600
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:24,880
and there there is particularly

601
00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:28,799
some people that

602
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:32,720
claim to be hybrids that where this uh

603
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:35,840
or their blood does turn out to be with

604
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:36,240
the

605
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:39,600
negative rh factor and in fact

606
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:41,440
there have been several books written in

607
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:43,280
the past

608
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:48,480
uh by these people who state their

609
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,039
hybrids one case is uh

610
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:53,520
malagurus garcia which is another puerto

611
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:55,039
rican lady

612
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:02,789
that her father was an alien and that

613
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:07,039
her mother was uh was implanted

614
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:09,120
so i mean you know and that's not the

615
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:10,799
only case there are other cases i know

616
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:12,960
there's a woman out in ohio

617
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:16,159
who uh and i don't know her name offhand

618
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:17,360
who had the same

619
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:22,799
who has the same flame as well um

620
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:25,360
you know i i know it's kind of hard to

621
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:26,559
argue with these people

622
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:29,120
or you know you know you can listen to

623
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:30,880
the story and

624
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:34,480
take it for what it's worth i guess but

625
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:37,039
you know i'd been quite honest with you

626
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:37,840
i i've

627
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:40,640
worked with a lot of uh abductees and

628
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:42,559
experiencers

629
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:45,520
and but i will say that none that i have

630
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:47,679
worked with

631
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:53,909
with the exchange of dna for

632
00:23:58,029 --> 00:23:55,840
hybridization

633
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:58,039
it's always been there have been

634
00:24:03,110 --> 00:23:59,919
experimentations

635
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:03,120
there have been surgeries

636
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:05,840
but it's been for something other than

637
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:06,720
that

638
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:09,520
you know my problem with all this is at

639
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:11,039
the end of the day

640
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:14,159
really it you know lacks proof

641
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:17,039
right and it's not that you never want

642
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:19,039
to be insensitive to something like this

643
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:20,559
because these are really truly

644
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:23,039
traumatic experiences that these folks

645
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:24,880
really believe

646
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:26,720
that they've encountered they've endured

647
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:28,159
correct i mean it

648
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:29,840
you never want to minimize that but you

649
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:32,799
know there's part of me that goes man

650
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:35,520
some of this is really fantastic and

651
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:38,159
like it just came out of a sci-fi movie

652
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:40,000
and and i don't know lon that's where i

653
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:41,440
yield to you

654
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:44,720
as you've been the guy to go through and

655
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:48,000
uh investigate talk and

656
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:51,520
uh uncover some of these more disturbing

657
00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:54,640
uh and downright you know bizarre

658
00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:57,919
encounters i don't know i mean i'm

659
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:59,120
trying to be sensitive about it and i

660
00:25:00,950 --> 00:25:00,480
don't want you to think i'm not with you

661
00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:00,960
i'm just

662
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:02,960
not it's just i understand i mean

663
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:04,400
they're they're i'd say the vast

664
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:06,640
majority of people don't believe

665
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:09,039
for any i mean anyone i want to be there

666
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:11,840
are people skeptical like yourself

667
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:15,360
uh what it is it's hard to believe

668
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:18,799
um you know i

669
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:22,320
i that's why i you know i just like any

670
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:23,679
type of uh

671
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:25,440
encounter anybody has not just

672
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:27,200
particularly an alien camera

673
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:30,240
any encounter any type of cryptid

674
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:34,000
paranormal encounter anything uh

675
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:37,120
you know you i i and you know how i am i

676
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:39,679
i take anybody at the word and that's

677
00:25:41,909 --> 00:25:40,159
fine

678
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:41,919
and i think that's great i like that you

679
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:44,400
said most most evidence is anecdotal

680
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,000
evidence i mean

681
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:48,400
and it's hard to disprove people unless

682
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:49,919
it's just

683
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:52,880
you know totally impossible uh i mean it

684
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:55,440
does take some common sense sometimes

685
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:59,120
to uh to weed out you know some the

686
00:26:01,350 --> 00:26:00,960
ridiculousness that you know people tell

687
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:01,360
you

688
00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:03,679
there are people who just want attention

689
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:04,400
but

690
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:07,440
then there are people that have

691
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:12,080
long term you know over periods of years

692
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:15,840
visitations abductions

693
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:18,240
you know are those the people that uh

694
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:18,960
you know

695
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:20,480
how do you tell those folks that

696
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:22,480
everything there that's made up

697
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:24,400
that's the thing that gets me like we

698
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:26,320
don't know we weren't there

699
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:28,000
of course there's not going to be any

700
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:30,320
proof out of this but

701
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:33,760
you know you know i can honestly say

702
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:35,520
i can't finish that thought of all the

703
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:37,279
cases that i've

704
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:39,679
looked into and that have been brought

705
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:40,960
to me

706
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:43,200
not one of these cases had been one

707
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:45,919
single episode

708
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:47,840
it's been a string of episodes have you

709
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:49,279
had an experience one

710
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:53,279
do you think just yeah i've had

711
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:56,799
i had something recently um

712
00:27:02,310 --> 00:26:59,919
and i've had at least two other

713
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:02,320
encounters

714
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:04,720
i had something happens a couple weeks

715
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:05,760
ago that

716
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:10,159
i can't explain and until i do

717
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:12,960
figure it out i'm i'm not really going

718
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:13,520
to go

719
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:16,880
into a lot of it i will say that

720
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:19,120
whatever happened to me in this last

721
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:20,640
episode

722
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:23,679
i didn't see any alien beings or any

723
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:25,120
type of

724
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:28,880
just so

725
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:32,799
weird uh

726
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:34,880
you know it was something happened i

727
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:36,320
don't know exactly what it was but

728
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:37,919
something happened i had lost time

729
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:39,679
i lost better uh about an hour and a

730
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:41,200
half

731
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:44,399
and uh and i will be honest with you i

732
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:46,080
was probably as frightened as i ever

733
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:00,149
but i will you know when i do figure out

734
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:02,720
what's going on then i'll probably write

735
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,760
about it you know

736
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:05,760
but until then i just want to get as

737
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:08,000
much facts about what happened

738
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:12,559
you know um you know i've had

739
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:15,520
well i told you a while back um that you

740
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,000
know i had

741
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:18,320
a um i think i had an incident when i

742
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:19,760
was a child well when i was

743
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:22,720
in high school because i had a scoop

744
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:24,240
mark

745
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:26,799
that was found near my navel and uh i

746
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:29,039
had an implant behind my knee

747
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:32,640
that i dug out and uh

748
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:35,679
but you know but from that period up

749
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:36,799
until

750
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:39,679
maybe the last couple years i i can't

751
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:41,120
remember anything happening

752
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:44,399
that doesn't mean nothing did happen so

753
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:47,200
um yeah so it's one of those things it's

754
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:48,640
nothing that's

755
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:50,240
you know it's nothing that it's caused

756
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,240
me to have problems

757
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:55,200
i know of but uh you know i am aware of

758
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:56,480
it

759
00:29:01,990 --> 00:29:00,080
mean to bring all that up for you

760
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:02,000
on the air where we had to talk about in

761
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:03,520
front of everybody but

762
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:06,559
you know it's i've

763
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:08,559
as far as i know you know and i'm not

764
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:10,720
asking for it so please

765
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:12,799
you know don't if they're listening you

766
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:14,399
know i've not had an experience like

767
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:14,799
this

768
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:18,240
and that i remember that i recall and i

769
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:18,799
don't know

770
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:20,240
if i want to experience anything like

771
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:24,310
it's just you know there's a huge part

772
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:26,000
of me that empathizes with

773
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:27,760
the folks that have experienced these

774
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:29,679
things because so badly

775
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:32,720
i want to be able to understand

776
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:34,559
uh you know what they're going through

777
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:36,000
that i'll never be able to understand

778
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:36,799
that you know

779
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:37,919
it's like anything else you get there

780
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:39,360
and say oh i understand i get you but i

781
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:40,880
really don't i

782
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:44,240
and i'd like to be able to you know just

783
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:45,679
i guess let folks know that i do

784
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:47,279
empathize even part of the even though

785
00:29:51,269 --> 00:29:49,120
part of me is very skeptical

786
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:51,279
i i really do empathize with with the

787
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:53,200
folks going through this because even if

788
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:55,760
i don't think it's real they do

789
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:59,360
and that's uh you know sometimes there's

790
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:00,799
more harm in that

791
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:04,159
than uh anything you know it's fun to

792
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:05,440
joke about

793
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:08,559
fun to you know do all kinds of things

794
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:08,880
and

795
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:10,960
but it's not fun to be disrespectful so

796
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:13,279
i don't want to come across that way but

797
00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:16,880
you know i really empathize with this

798
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:19,360
yeah i mean you know so hope that made

799
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:27,350
let's have brett come on let him tell

800
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:29,039
his story to us all right

801
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:31,039
and as per usual you're just going to be

802
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:32,640
listening to some dead air for a couple

803
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:33,120
moments

804
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:34,880
don't feel bad if you want to blame

805
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:37,120
anybody blame the powers that be

806
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:38,559
because i'm cheap and i'm not going to

807
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:40,320
play it i'm not going to pay

808
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,880
to play music so you just go ahead smoke

809
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:44,640
them if you got them drain the lizard i

810
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:46,080
don't know we'll be right back

811
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,559
right after this folks stay tuned all

812
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:50,480
right folks we're back

813
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:53,200
that wasn't too long that was it lon you

814
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:54,559
there with me big guy

815
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:56,799
yeah um all right lon's gonna read the

816
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:58,159
bio so take it away

817
00:31:01,990 --> 00:30:59,919
and our guest is brett oldham he's the

818
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:02,000
uh author of children of the grades a

819
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:03,279
personal account

820
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:04,880
of his lifelong alien abduction

821
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:06,559
experience and he also

822
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:09,440
wrote ghost stories of las vegas now

823
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:11,440
brett began researching the paranormal

824
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:12,720
in his teen years in the hopes of

825
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:15,919
finding answers to his own experiences

826
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:17,679
brett and his wife gina who are based

827
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:19,760
out of nashville tennessee

828
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:22,159
their research encompasses a wide

829
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:24,640
spectrum of paranormal including ghosts

830
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:27,360
ufos and cryptozoology they have been

831
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:28,320
featured on

832
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:31,360
numerous radio shows magazine uh

833
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:33,200
newspaper articles internet

834
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:36,320
local pbs national tv in the u.s canada

835
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:38,399
new zealand and europe including shows

836
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:39,519
on bio

837
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:43,760
discovery cbc canada tv7 and bulgaria

838
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:45,919
and most recently brett was featured on

839
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:48,080
the history channels ancient aliens

840
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:50,080
uh brett has contributed to several

841
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:52,640
books by other authors and has written

842
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:55,200
articles for alternate perceptions

843
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:58,399
and mysterious universe magazines so

844
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:00,640
i wish to introduce to everybody mr

845
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,559
brett alden brett thanks for uh joining

846
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:04,559
us tonight

847
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:06,559
uh thank you lon and thank you sean i

848
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:08,240
appreciate you guys having me on

849
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:10,320
um before we get started i want to

850
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,760
compliment you on your

851
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:13,200
excellent newsletter that you put out

852
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:14,559
i've been subscribed to that for quite a

853
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:16,000
while and i really enjoy it

854
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:20,720
well i appreciate that uh

855
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:27,669
uh first you you've been experiencing

856
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:28,720
these type of

857
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:35,519
most of your life have you not

858
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:38,720
i have um my experiences started when i

859
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:40,159
was five years old

860
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:42,080
i lived in southern illinois at the time

861
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:44,640
and uh out in the country

862
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:47,679
um in an old farmhouse surrounded by

863
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:48,559
soybeans

864
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:51,600
fields and cornfields gravel road going

865
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:53,519
up to the house and it was pretty remote

866
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:56,880
and it was a house that was a

867
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:58,880
two-story and the stairwell was sort of

868
00:33:03,269 --> 00:33:00,559
in the middle of the house and

869
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:03,279
in the winter time my parents would

870
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:04,799
close off the upstairs

871
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:06,880
and they'd bring my brother and my

872
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,159
sister and i

873
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:10,559
uh we'd sleep in this sort of large

874
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:12,159
living room area

875
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:14,720
and uh basically on the floor before my

876
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:15,519
brother and i

877
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:17,760
and my sister be on the sofa they said

878
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:18,880
it's trying to save on the heating

879
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:19,440
building

880
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:22,480
and it was uh late fall

881
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:26,480
and um i was awakened one night

882
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:28,080
i heard a voice which i actually at the

883
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:29,600
time uh when i raised up i thought it

884
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:31,440
was my stepdad

885
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:35,120
calling out to me um and

886
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:36,960
it just i kept hearing i couldn't figure

887
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:38,559
out where it was coming from because

888
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:39,519
of course there's nothing but the

889
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:41,200
ambient noise out in the country like

890
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:42,480
that and

891
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:46,080
it was coaching me to come to the window

892
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:47,919
and i noticed a very bright light coming

893
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:50,559
in the side window

894
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:54,000
i got up just sort of curious young kid

895
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:57,440
wondering what was going on and um

896
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:59,440
walked across the cold hardwood floor

897
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:00,640
and we had these

898
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:04,240
very thin white curtains

899
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:07,440
um no blinds didn't really need them out

900
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:08,800
there and

901
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:11,440
i didn't go to the you wonder where the

902
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:12,320
light was at

903
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:14,639
um although i was very curious as to

904
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:16,000
what was causing the light because we

905
00:34:18,869 --> 00:34:17,280
didn't have any kind of street lights or

906
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:18,879
anything like that and

907
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:22,240
i raised my right hand up um pulled away

908
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:23,599
the curtain

909
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:26,560
and came face to face with what we now

910
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:26,879
know

911
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:30,240
as a typical gray that moment

912
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:34,000
pretty much changed my life

913
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:37,040
now you know based on your lifetime of

914
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:38,720
alien encounters and

915
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:41,119
in particularly though the inside we're

916
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:43,040
going to talk about in a bit

917
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:45,839
uh it had to be difficult for you to

918
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:48,639
write this book

919
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:52,159
i was i mean i only remembered my first

920
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:53,200
two encounters

921
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:55,440
uh and this was when i was still a child

922
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:56,320
and i came back

923
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:58,079
uh tell my mom about the little man you

924
00:35:02,950 --> 00:34:59,920
took me and

925
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:02,960
you know she just brushed it off like a

926
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:04,320
lot of parents do with their kids and

927
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:05,760
their imaginary friends

928
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:09,119
right and then um after

929
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:10,560
one night we were watching the wizard of

930
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:12,640
oz and i had never been exposed at that

931
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:14,320
point in time

932
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:17,520
um to any comic books

933
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:20,160
any movies anything to do with aliens i

934
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:22,640
was never talked about my house my

935
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:24,320
family and relatives were all really

936
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:26,000
religious and

937
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:27,839
anything to do with paranormal got

938
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:29,599
instantly attributed to demons

939
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:30,960
and you know it was one of those type of

940
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:33,200
things and i was very very innocent

941
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:35,839
and so when i might even my mind

942
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:37,359
couldn't even process what was not only

943
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:38,960
what was happening to me but what i was

944
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:39,680
seeing

945
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:42,000
because i had nothing to compare it to

946
00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:43,119
and uh

947
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:46,000
after i i was watching the wizard of oz

948
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:47,520
and the scene come on with the flying

949
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:48,800
monkeys i i started

950
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,320
basically just having to fit and going

951
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:52,240
berserk and my mom figured out what was

952
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:53,680
wrong with me and

953
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:55,920
it triggered uh you know these memories

954
00:36:01,990 --> 00:35:56,960
and

955
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:02,000
time you know it's time to uh

956
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:04,000
to wipe his memories and everything that

957
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:05,599
happened to me was suppressed from men

958
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,200
all the way to my early 20s

959
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:09,599
i had a lot of the classic symptoms you

960
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:13,760
know the chronic nosebleeds

961
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:16,800
and unexplainable scars popping up

962
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:20,000
things like that but uh i ended up in

963
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:20,720
therapy

964
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:23,680
uh in my early 20s from severe anxiety

965
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,320
which is a

966
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,560
very common with uh you know people

967
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:28,720
don't realize the trauma

968
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:32,079
that is induced by these experiences

969
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:34,640
and is something that needs really more

970
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:36,560
address more i mean i know

971
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:38,079
of course if my books came out i've been

972
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:39,520
contacted by people from all over the

973
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,320
world

974
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:43,200
but i mean last year in 2015 i know two

975
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:43,839
people that

976
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:45,760
committed suicide because they couldn't

977
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:47,839
handle their abductees they couldn't

978
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:49,920
handle the uh

979
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:52,320
the anxiety that's associated with it

980
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:53,359
and uh and

981
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:55,440
myself and that's actually how my memory

982
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:57,040
surfaced because uh

983
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:59,680
i ended up in therapy uh basically for

984
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:00,640
the anxiety

985
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:02,480
and i'd been in sports when i was

986
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:04,079
younger and

987
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:05,359
at that time i was a professional

988
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:07,040
musician and i've been in front of

989
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:07,520
people

990
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:10,000
a lot i'm not that person to have

991
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:12,000
anxiety i ended up with like severe

992
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:13,599
agoraphobic i didn't want to leave the

993
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:15,280
house you know so it was affecting me

994
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:17,200
i knew i had to do something and even

995
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:19,200
when my memories uh

996
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:21,599
started coming out uh like i didn't tell

997
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:22,640
a therapist

998
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:26,560
and um you know because of just the

999
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:28,240
skeptics out there what you have to

1000
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:30,640
endure everybody with their anal probe

1001
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:32,079
jokes and

1002
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:34,560
and it was just one of those things you

1003
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:36,240
know i call it suffering in silence and

1004
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:37,839
and that's what exactly what happened

1005
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:39,680
for years and years because once the

1006
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:41,520
floodgate sort of opened

1007
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:44,720
uh it it just more and more it was

1008
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:46,160
you know just coming out in dreams it

1009
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:47,760
would come out the actual conscious

1010
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:49,119
memories and

1011
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:51,359
i i think that's when you have an event

1012
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:53,119
of a volatile nature like that you know

1013
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:54,960
it gets repressed in your subconscious

1014
00:38:00,550 --> 00:37:55,920
and

1015
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:00,560
subconscious is protecting you

1016
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:03,520
but when it gets to the point where he

1017
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:04,320
can't

1018
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:07,280
hold it so to speak anymore uh it's

1019
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:08,320
going to come out in some kind of

1020
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:09,520
physical form and

1021
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:11,359
a lot of abductees that people have

1022
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:12,800
these experience especially multiple

1023
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:13,599
experiences

1024
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:16,800
that's added up over time uh they do end

1025
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:17,280
up with

1026
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:20,079
a lot of uh symptoms very very similar

1027
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:20,560
to

1028
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:21,920
post-traumatic stress i mean there's

1029
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:23,359
actually uh they're calling it

1030
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:25,839
post-abduction stress now pas

1031
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:28,000
and and a lot of things that happen with

1032
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:29,280
that and it happened with me

1033
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:30,560
is even when i first started having

1034
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:32,720
these memories i did not you know i

1035
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:34,000
didn't want to accept it i

1036
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,920
i was like there's no way and um

1037
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:39,599
and then i got angry about it you know

1038
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:41,200
once i started kind of accepting it

1039
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:42,160
because more and more

1040
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:43,680
stuff started coming out and then i

1041
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:45,040
started putting all the pieces together

1042
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:45,839
and

1043
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:50,240
gets to be like a really really hard

1044
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:50,960
thing

1045
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,720
to accept and there's nobody especially

1046
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:56,640
this was in the you know the 80s i mean

1047
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:58,079
it was there was really not that many

1048
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:58,560
people

1049
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:00,000
you couldn't i couldn't go tell my

1050
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:02,000
therapist you know uh

1051
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:05,040
you know i talked to my mom about it um

1052
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:07,200
and and that was pretty much it i mean i

1053
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:08,240
just i kept

1054
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:11,520
very very quiet about it and i knew uh

1055
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:14,480
eventually got to the point where i

1056
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:18,240
remembered so many experiences

1057
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:25,910
20 some years you know to get the nerve

1058
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:28,079
and the courage to actually

1059
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:29,839
put it in into print and put it out

1060
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:32,160
there because i wanted to

1061
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:35,040
bring more awareness to the public in

1062
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,079
any way that i could

1063
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:38,400
about what's going on and what really

1064
00:39:41,829 --> 00:39:39,520
happened

1065
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:41,839
and i went in a lot of details and a lot

1066
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:43,520
of stuff that most people find very

1067
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:44,960
embarrassing you know the sexual stuff

1068
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:46,320
that's done

1069
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:48,160
and you know i talked about a lot of

1070
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:49,359
stuff that really hadn't been brought

1071
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:49,920
about

1072
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:53,920
before in books up to that point

1073
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:55,599
because i just wanted people to know

1074
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:57,440
like what what you know i talked about

1075
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:58,960
my like going through my own depression

1076
00:40:01,829 --> 00:39:59,359
and

1077
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:01,839
you know what it affects you mentally

1078
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:03,440
and

1079
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:05,520
everything like that because i wanted

1080
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:06,800
more awareness

1081
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:09,760
uh in the reality of what happens out

1082
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:10,000
there

1083
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:11,440
in any way that i could contribute to it

1084
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:13,119
and i also wanted to

1085
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:15,280
be not only a voice for people that are

1086
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,800
having these experiences

1087
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:18,480
but also like something that they could

1088
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:19,839
relate to and

1089
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:22,720
know that no you're not crazy uh you

1090
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:23,520
know you're not

1091
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:26,720
having sleep paralysis and and all these

1092
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:28,480
lame things that the people try to

1093
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:31,760
to attribute this to um that

1094
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:33,280
that just doesn't add up you know when

1095
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:35,520
you get into it's a very very complex

1096
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:36,720
phenomena that's going on

1097
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:38,560
when you get into what's really

1098
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:40,800
happening and you find out

1099
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:42,720
i mean i can tell you right now living

1100
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:44,400
in nashville you know there's

1101
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:48,000
there's there's one famous country

1102
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:48,880
singer

1103
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:50,160
that won't come to go public with her

1104
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:51,440
that i know about that's having me

1105
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:53,359
that's had these experiences

1106
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:55,760
um but you know there's there's

1107
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:56,800
celebrities uh

1108
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:00,000
the tatum uh you know there's

1109
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:03,040
people from all walks of life that that

1110
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:03,760
had these

1111
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:07,280
experiences that don't want to go public

1112
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:07,760
with it

1113
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:09,920
because of the the stigma associated

1114
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:10,960
with it you know

1115
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,040
the more people that come out with their

1116
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:15,680
stories uh the better it's just gonna

1117
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:18,400
make for everybody and that's what i

1118
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:20,079
tried to do you know i just i

1119
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:22,640
i knew i had when i decided to write the

1120
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:24,000
book it took me

1121
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:27,599
two years because um you know i had

1122
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:29,520
developed coping mechanisms by this time

1123
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:30,319
in life

1124
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:32,960
and i started writing a book and i

1125
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:34,880
started going right back into depression

1126
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:35,280
again

1127
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:37,599
and and uh you know i was reliving a lot

1128
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:39,280
of stuff i really didn't want to

1129
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:42,960
go back and visit again you know and so

1130
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,599
then i i have some people that i know

1131
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:47,280
here in tennessee that

1132
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:49,440
encouraged me you know a friend of mine

1133
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:51,599
and my life

1134
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:53,280
and i i'd wait two or three weeks i

1135
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:54,800
start feeling better again and i go back

1136
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:56,079
at it and then i finally got to the

1137
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:57,440
point where i was sort of seeing the

1138
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:58,960
light at the end of the tunnel and i

1139
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:01,040
knew i could like you know finish it

1140
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:04,000
and and once i did i went public and and

1141
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:05,119
put it out there

1142
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:07,839
uh it was just such a huge huge relief

1143
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:08,480
uh

1144
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:10,640
off my shoulders you know to like let

1145
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:12,000
everybody know like look this has

1146
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:13,119
happened to me

1147
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:15,680
and and of course you you put yourself

1148
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:16,880
as a target when it gets

1149
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,480
to like that you know there's people

1150
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:20,640
that are threatened by the truth of this

1151
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:23,920
uh it threatens their religious beliefs

1152
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:26,640
um and so they're gonna try to attack

1153
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:28,720
you and do everything they can

1154
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:30,240
because they feel threatened by it you

1155
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:31,839
know and

1156
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:34,000
but for the most part most of people

1157
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:35,920
that i know and my family

1158
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:39,040
um you know luckily i had a life of

1159
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:39,839
building

1160
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:43,200
of a man of good character and uh and

1161
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:44,319
most people

1162
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:47,280
said wow you know if he says this didn't

1163
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:47,839
happen

1164
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,119
and uh and so that was i really

1165
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:53,280
appreciate the support you know from the

1166
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:54,240
people that

1167
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:56,160
in my life and the people a lot of

1168
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:57,599
people that i came across you know since

1169
00:43:02,550 --> 00:42:59,280
the books came out

1170
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:02,560
brett have other folks in your family

1171
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:10,230
yeah and i do think this is a genetic

1172
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:11,040
thing

1173
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:13,040
it is once they find a certain genetic

1174
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:14,319
code within a family

1175
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:16,720
they stick with it uh you know my

1176
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:18,560
family's got strong native american

1177
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:20,000
blood and uh i

1178
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:23,839
there's a lot of in my research anyway

1179
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:25,520
um i heard you guys talking about the rh

1180
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:26,720
negative thing which that's really

1181
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:27,520
attributed like

1182
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:29,839
mostly toward the reptilian thing but

1183
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:31,040
with the greys

1184
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:34,400
they seem to favor uh people that have

1185
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:35,599
native mix

1186
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:37,440
with uh with celtic mix you know and

1187
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:39,280
that's exactly what i am you know

1188
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:42,400
i was a native american and uh and and

1189
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:43,920
then my family line you know there was

1190
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:46,000
rumors of some

1191
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:48,800
odd stuff with my great grandfather that

1192
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:49,440
was very

1193
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:52,880
uh similar with my life um and my mom

1194
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:55,119
remembered uh

1195
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:57,760
when she was 14 15 right in there

1196
00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:58,880
somewhere

1197
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:01,839
um being on some kind of uh of a crap

1198
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:03,040
and putting some kind of

1199
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:05,760
strange chair and seeing these you know

1200
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:07,280
this equipment and these controls and

1201
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:08,319
stuff that

1202
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:10,880
she had no idea of course you know what

1203
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:11,599
what it was

1204
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:15,119
you know so um i i think it

1205
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:16,560
continued and that's one of the one of

1206
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:18,800
the fears you kind of live with because

1207
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,880
it's something that you wouldn't really

1208
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:22,400
want to wish on anybody and you

1209
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:24,240
certainly don't want to happen into

1210
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:26,000
family members or you know any loved

1211
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:28,319
ones

1212
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:30,560
well i i guess we ought to talk about

1213
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:32,560
the incident that

1214
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:36,000
uh provide you with the title of the

1215
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:36,960
book

1216
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:40,640
and subsequent events uh do you mind

1217
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:42,319
talking about it yeah

1218
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:44,800
yeah if i ever did get the courage to

1219
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:46,319
write a book i knew what i was going to

1220
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:47,359
call it and i knew

1221
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,960
exactly what the cover was going to look

1222
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:50,640
like and my brother jeffrey olman's

1223
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:52,079
he's an award-winning artist in las

1224
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:53,760
vegas and he

1225
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:55,520
did the depiction on the cover for me

1226
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:58,880
and he did a fabulous job

1227
00:45:02,069 --> 00:45:00,880
it's very very similar to the it's the

1228
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:02,079
hybrid child

1229
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:05,119
that i was presented with um and you i

1230
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:06,000
heard you mentioned

1231
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:09,200
uh the uh the monsters and mysteries

1232
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:10,000
episode

1233
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:13,359
um that we were on and and uh and she

1234
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:15,200
also did ancient aliens with me

1235
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:20,160
um and and the child that's uh

1236
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:22,240
well i guess i can get to that story the

1237
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:24,240
uh and this is an incident that

1238
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:26,319
you know when you get people when

1239
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:27,440
something happens with

1240
00:45:30,829 --> 00:45:29,359
multiple witness and they both have

1241
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:30,839
experienced the same thing

1242
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:35,119
um you know it sort of raises the uh

1243
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:38,240
raise it up a notch you know and um

1244
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:40,079
and that's exactly what happened with us

1245
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:41,440
uh we were both

1246
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:42,960
we were awakened in our in our bedroom

1247
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:45,359
we lived in las vegas

1248
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:48,720
uh and we heard a thump

1249
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:51,440
like a real loud banging noise you know

1250
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:51,920
kind of

1251
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:55,040
pumping sound and we both

1252
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:59,040
woke up and she remembered seeing

1253
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:01,680
i think four and i remember seeing five

1254
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:02,560
because it was one

1255
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:04,240
up from my side of bed the way the

1256
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:06,079
master bath was in that bedroom the

1257
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:07,680
wall was kind of blocking her view from

1258
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:09,359
that one um

1259
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:12,640
surrounding has a typical small grays

1260
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:16,000
and uh what we found out later

1261
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:18,160
they she had had a old-fashioned

1262
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:19,599
typewriter

1263
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:22,400
up on a uh on a stand in the bedroom and

1264
00:46:26,069 --> 00:46:23,680
they had inadvertently

1265
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:26,079
hit it knocked it off and it hit the

1266
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,720
floor

1267
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:28,400
uh and that's what woke us up i don't

1268
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:31,119
think they woke us up purposely

1269
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:34,240
but they took us at the time

1270
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:37,760
she was one week

1271
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:40,880
shy of her first trimester pregnancy

1272
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:44,640
and um we had actually just been to

1273
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:47,200
her old gyn the week before that for a

1274
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:47,680
checkup

1275
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:50,880
everything was fine and

1276
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:56,720
uh when we when i woke up i found myself

1277
00:47:07,109 --> 00:47:04,069
eight to ten feet from a platform to her

1278
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:07,119
and of all my experiences i had never

1279
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:08,160
seen

1280
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:10,319
this many of them in a room together at

1281
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:11,920
a time and they had her

1282
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:14,240
uh she was uh to my right and they had

1283
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:15,440
her

1284
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:19,359
equipment and um

1285
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:21,440
there was actually a tall gray and for

1286
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:23,760
people that's unfamiliar with this

1287
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:25,839
the tip and my this is just my

1288
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:27,440
observations and my own

1289
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:30,160
opinion but i think it's pretty valid uh

1290
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:30,640
the

1291
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:38,400
are workers

1292
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:40,559
i think they're created there's a tall

1293
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:41,920
gray

1294
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:46,000
believe they're biological robots clones

1295
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:46,720
they all

1296
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:49,119
they have a hive mentality uh they're

1297
00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:51,119
completely logic based

1298
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:53,839
anything that goes against what they're

1299
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:55,119
programmed to do they don't even know

1300
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:56,400
how to react to it

1301
00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:59,599
uh they they stick to you telepathically

1302
00:48:03,430 --> 00:48:01,920
but it's all the same condescending you

1303
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:03,440
know we're not going to hurt you

1304
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:05,040
all this kind of stuff like that over

1305
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:06,480
and over the same thing

1306
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:08,480
uh they clearly take directions from the

1307
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:09,760
tall grave

1308
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:12,640
and in this case uh they were

1309
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:15,040
surrounding me

1310
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:18,160
except they left the open an open area

1311
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:20,559
on the right side where i could clearly

1312
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:21,280
see

1313
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:23,280
uh what was going on and i was not able

1314
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:25,359
to move uh

1315
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:28,400
they do this mentally their mental

1316
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:30,000
powers and their mental control

1317
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:33,359
over you why while you're taken is it's

1318
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:35,119
really hard to wrap your head around if

1319
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:36,960
you've never experienced it but

1320
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:40,720
it's very real and you're literally

1321
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:43,280
ether at their will i mean whatever they

1322
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:45,119
want that's what you're gonna do

1323
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:48,240
uh and they immobilize you in this way

1324
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:51,440
um and the tall gray was uh

1325
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:54,800
they had her up about like a in the same

1326
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:56,079
way that a woman

1327
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:58,160
that was giving birth um you know her

1328
00:49:02,630 --> 00:48:59,200
legs were up and

1329
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:02,640
sort of these syrup like things and um

1330
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:05,520
and it was a tall glaze standing down

1331
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:07,040
there and

1332
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:13,030
this bloody murder like please take my

1333
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:14,960
baby stop what are you doing

1334
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:18,000
why all this kind of thing and i was

1335
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:20,240
doing the same i was very very angry

1336
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:23,280
um and threatening to do all kinds of

1337
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:24,160
things to them

1338
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:27,040
uh and if i'd been able to get off that

1339
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:28,720
table i would have carried out

1340
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:32,160
my threats um because i realized what

1341
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:32,960
was happening

1342
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:36,400
and i decided not to not play into it

1343
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:37,599
and i didn't want to watch it i couldn't

1344
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:38,480
take it and

1345
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:40,559
i turned my head as the only thing i

1346
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:42,000
could move

1347
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:46,880
and one of the the grays that was at the

1348
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:49,920
top of the table where my head was at

1349
00:49:56,069 --> 00:49:54,160
puts his hand on my forehead and

1350
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:56,079
uh really didn't have to do it

1351
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:57,200
physically but

1352
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:00,960
guided my head back to force me to watch

1353
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:03,280
and then i couldn't i was no longer able

1354
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:04,079
to move my head

1355
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:06,400
and i was forced to watch them take the

1356
00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:07,920
fetus

1357
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:11,200
and the next morning that was all i

1358
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:12,319
remember like

1359
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:16,559
on the craft and the next morning um

1360
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:18,319
bright sunny day in vegas you know

1361
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:19,680
someone's coming through the

1362
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:23,599
windows and wake up and uh

1363
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:25,920
she says she starts to get up and she

1364
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:26,720
says

1365
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:28,720
she noticed there was some spot of blood

1366
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,839
on the bed

1367
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:31,920
and she goes into the bathroom and she

1368
00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:34,400
calls up in the bathroom

1369
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:37,359
that she's uh bleeding and that i better

1370
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:38,880
call her doctor

1371
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:42,400
which i did and we

1372
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:45,119
we went up east sahara there we go

1373
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:46,079
pretty close uh

1374
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:49,359
to where her doctor's office was at and

1375
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:50,559
he says well i think you had a

1376
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:52,079
miscarriage and she says well that's

1377
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:53,280
impossible because

1378
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:55,839
there's no tissue come out you know i

1379
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:56,319
was

1380
00:51:02,069 --> 00:51:00,000
attention

1381
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:02,079
and he kept insisting that and right

1382
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:03,440
across the street at time was

1383
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:06,319
a place called women's hospital and they

1384
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:07,280
checked her in

1385
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:09,520
and i called her mom and i called my mom

1386
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:10,480
and told her

1387
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:11,920
told him you know like you better come

1388
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:13,520
down here um

1389
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:15,920
something's happening with the baby and

1390
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:17,440
uh

1391
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:20,640
and then my mom was there with me in the

1392
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:21,520
waiting room and

1393
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:23,920
the doctor comes down the hall and he

1394
00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:25,760
has a funny look on his face

1395
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,680
and i thought something happened and i

1396
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:29,520
got up to meet him and

1397
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:31,440
and i i said what's the matter and he

1398
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:33,119
says no no she's okay

1399
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:34,800
but that's the damnedest thing i've ever

1400
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:36,240
seen and i said

1401
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:39,599
what she says well if i hadn't just saw

1402
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:40,640
this woman

1403
00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:42,720
last week i would have never thought she

1404
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:44,000
was pregnant because the womb was

1405
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:50,790
and so

1406
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:53,280
when we left well when she was uh

1407
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:55,599
dismissed in the hospital and

1408
00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:56,960
i didn't want to say anything because we

1409
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,960
were just so traumatized by all of it

1410
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:00,240
and i wasn't quite sure

1411
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:03,440
if she even remembered anything and uh

1412
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:06,000
but they had completely left memories in

1413
00:52:09,510 --> 00:52:07,520
both of them

1414
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:09,520
and you know they were basically

1415
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:11,280
monitoring my emotion

1416
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:13,359
to it um which is something that they're

1417
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:15,440
very interested in

1418
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:18,000
because of the hybrid program uh that's

1419
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:19,200
why they took me home

1420
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:21,599
to witness this but uh she did remember

1421
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:23,680
it and we just made a vow at that time

1422
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:25,280
not to talk about it but nobody

1423
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:28,000
no we're like no one's gonna believe us

1424
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:28,400
and

1425
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:30,480
um because i had her like even look at

1426
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:32,160
my mom after the doctor said and i just

1427
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:34,160
turned around i said they took it

1428
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:36,480
and she seemed sort of her perplexed as

1429
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,240
well like she didn't know exactly what i

1430
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:40,559
was talking about the time either

1431
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:44,079
and approximately

1432
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:46,559
three years after that during one of my

1433
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:47,680
events

1434
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:50,880
i was escorted by two small grays into

1435
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:54,000
a relatively large room

1436
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:56,480
very dimly lit which is something that's

1437
00:53:01,990 --> 00:52:58,720
quite unusual

1438
00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:02,000
most their lighting is different than

1439
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:02,720
our lighting

1440
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:05,839
um it's very bright but

1441
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:08,160
um a lot of times it doesn't like hurt

1442
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:10,240
your eyes kind of bright you know and

1443
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:12,960
but this in this particular room was a

1444
00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:15,200
very dimly lit and it was just some

1445
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:17,920
small handling lighting like a world and

1446
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:18,960
it was a

1447
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:22,720
uh there was a ramp uh they use ramps

1448
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:25,359
more they don't like hairs everything's

1449
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:28,240
very rounded and they use a lot of ramps

1450
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:30,480
and i could see a light at the end of

1451
00:53:35,109 --> 00:53:31,680
this ramp

1452
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:35,119
um and it looked like uh an entry into

1453
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:36,559
another room but the light wasn't

1454
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:38,000
filtering into the room

1455
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:39,839
that i was in they seem to have the

1456
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:41,680
ability to actually control light like

1457
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:42,640
that

1458
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:46,000
and they just left me there and um i was

1459
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:47,280
pretty concerned

1460
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:48,480
because when you no matter how many

1461
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:50,720
times you go through this like really

1462
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:52,640
the main thing that happens to you after

1463
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:54,319
numerous times of this is just to get

1464
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:55,119
through it

1465
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:57,839
survive and get back all right you know

1466
00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:58,880
you never know

1467
00:54:01,990 --> 00:54:00,160
what kind of thing is going to happen to

1468
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:02,000
you with physical they also run a lot of

1469
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:03,520
mental experiments

1470
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:05,359
sometimes they're more intrusive than

1471
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:06,800
the physical stuff you know because of

1472
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:08,400
the way it affects you

1473
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:11,040
and i was just standing there and i saw

1474
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:12,960
a figure break through the light and as

1475
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:14,240
she did

1476
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:16,480
uh or it did i didn't know the sheets so

1477
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:17,440
i got closer but

1478
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:19,440
the light started filtering into the

1479
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:21,119
room that i was in

1480
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:24,319
and it still didn't light it up

1481
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:26,160
real bright but it was i could see much

1482
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:27,359
better and

1483
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:29,359
uh as i figured it out closer i could

1484
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:31,040
see that it was a female

1485
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:34,079
a gray female hybrid and she was

1486
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:35,200
carrying something

1487
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:37,520
and then as she got even more close i

1488
00:54:42,069 --> 00:54:39,040
could see there's a

1489
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:42,079
child and she come up to me um

1490
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:46,079
and she set the child down and um

1491
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:49,119
i didn't know what was going on and

1492
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:51,119
once again you know she's even even

1493
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:52,960
though she's a hybrid she was speaking

1494
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:55,200
to me telepathically and

1495
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:58,319
she told me uh that was my child um

1496
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:00,559
wanted me to interact with it and i

1497
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:03,040
refused at first

1498
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:05,680
i didn't want a part of it and i just

1499
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:07,280
looked down at the child and

1500
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:09,920
she looked at me uh sort of with that

1501
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,359
same expression that's on

1502
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:13,440
on the cover of the book and i just sort

1503
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:14,480
of just melted

1504
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:18,000
you know and i

1505
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:20,079
i kneeled down and you know started

1506
00:55:25,349 --> 00:55:22,720
talking to her she never spoke to me

1507
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:25,359
uh she seemed very curious about me but

1508
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:26,880
um

1509
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:28,640
it was one of those sort of bonding

1510
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:30,160
things you know like i did

1511
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:31,760
i will have to admit that i don't know

1512
00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:34,000
if it was my child or not but i did feel

1513
00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:38,559
that kind of maternal bond and

1514
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:41,599
they went on for a few minutes and they

1515
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:44,400
they the little the little hyper girl

1516
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:45,520
seemed to enjoy it

1517
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:49,040
um she wasn't afraid of me and uh

1518
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:50,720
and i was actually starting to enjoy it

1519
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:52,319
and they they seemed to let it go to

1520
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:54,000
right about that time

1521
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:57,280
uh and then the adult hybrid woman

1522
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:58,079
picked her up and

1523
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:59,680
started taking her away and i was

1524
00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:01,680
begging her like wait wait stop you know

1525
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:02,559
i don't

1526
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:04,480
what's your name i start you know asking

1527
00:56:07,829 --> 00:56:06,240
questions and don't take her yet you

1528
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:07,839
know that type of thing

1529
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:10,240
um and and that was it and you know

1530
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:12,000
that's been one of the

1531
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:13,599
one of the hard things to deal with

1532
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:15,200
because i've always

1533
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:17,440
wondered even to this day like what

1534
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:18,400
happened to her

1535
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:20,480
wish was she really something that you

1536
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:22,240
know was part me

1537
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:25,280
um from sending from numerous things

1538
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:26,960
that they've done to me um

1539
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:29,599
you know were there others like like her

1540
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:31,200
that

1541
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:34,079
i was also instrumental in creating and

1542
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:35,760
um

1543
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:38,640
you know they never i i don't if they'd

1544
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:39,280
ever

1545
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:43,280
again i i don't have any memories of it

1546
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:43,599
you know

1547
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:47,920
so i knew that that just to dedicate

1548
00:56:51,990 --> 00:56:50,640
for uh for her you know that i was going

1549
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:52,000
to put her on the cover

1550
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:53,359
you know because it made that kind of

1551
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:55,920
impact on me do you think that you may

1552
00:57:02,789 --> 00:56:59,040
see her again do you have a gut feeling

1553
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:04,309
i don't know i'm kind of on the fence

1554
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:06,559
about it because it's been so long now

1555
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:09,680
i mean we're talking you know this is uh

1556
00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:13,359
91 you know right in there uh

1557
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:17,839
and i don't know you know i i

1558
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:19,680
she they got to the point now and i

1559
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:20,960
heard you guys mentioned it earlier i

1560
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:22,160
mean i do

1561
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:25,200
think um that not only

1562
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:29,200
uh the the some of the grades themselves

1563
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:31,760
uh because when you're talking about the

1564
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:33,200
hologram thing with it

1565
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:34,640
you know i think it's more of a mental

1566
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:35,839
thing with them i mean they have the

1567
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:38,079
capabilities to make you see whatever

1568
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:40,400
right you know if they want to look like

1569
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:42,079
an old couple or whatever

1570
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:43,359
they can just make you think that in

1571
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:45,280
their mind you know and uh

1572
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:48,319
but i think the hybrids uh have

1573
00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:49,040
integrated

1574
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:51,280
you know i thought press site is a

1575
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:52,559
friend of mine and you know we've talked

1576
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:53,760
about this and

1577
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:55,440
you know he kind of feels the same way

1578
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:56,880
you know with all his research you know

1579
00:57:59,349 --> 00:57:57,520
that the

1580
00:58:00,549 --> 00:57:59,359
the hybrid programs like reach the point

1581
00:58:01,990 --> 00:58:00,559
where they've integrated into our

1582
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:02,000
society now

1583
00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:04,880
uh because even even her you know uh she

1584
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:05,839
looks

1585
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:08,960
odd uh and in real life you know her

1586
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:09,440
hair was

1587
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:11,280
a little wider and a little more stringy

1588
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:13,359
looking than what my brother jeff came

1589
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:14,160
up with but

1590
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:15,680
you know we kind of had to fill that in

1591
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:17,280
a little bit for

1592
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:18,960
graphic purposes you know for the book

1593
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:20,960
you know for it to stand out you know

1594
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:24,480
um but i still think that uh if she was

1595
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:25,200
an adult

1596
00:58:28,390 --> 00:58:26,799
um you know people might give her like

1597
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:28,400
kind of a maybe a second look or

1598
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:29,359
something but

1599
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:31,839
uh she she might even be able to blend

1600
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:33,599
blend in you know so

1601
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:36,640
uh it's time you know it's it's not

1602
00:58:42,549 --> 00:58:39,200
impossible it's it's probable that

1603
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:42,559
that they are uh especially the hybrids

1604
00:58:48,789 --> 00:58:42,880
uh

1605
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:48,799
and and integrating into our society you

1606
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:50,880
know for that purpose

1607
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:52,480
well what do you think their main reason

1608
00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:55,520
for the hybridization program

1609
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:58,000
you know what that's a 99 question i

1610
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:58,640
mean

1611
00:59:02,230 --> 00:59:01,520
no one knows and i don't care who they

1612
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:02,240
think they are

1613
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:04,000
and how many years they think they

1614
00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:05,599
research stuff

1615
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:08,720
nobody knows the truth agenda uh i my

1616
00:59:12,390 --> 00:59:11,680
theory on it is uh i you know i know

1617
00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:12,400
like jake

1618
00:59:17,589 --> 00:59:15,760
uh dr j jacobs you know

1619
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:17,599
he's the doom and gloom i think they're

1620
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:18,880
taking over the earth and stuff if they

1621
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:20,000
were going to do that i think they have

1622
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:22,640
done that a long time ago

1623
00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:25,920
but uh i think that they're a dying race

1624
00:59:31,589 --> 00:59:29,440
uh their bodies are very atrophied um

1625
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:31,599
something's happened possibly you know

1626
00:59:34,710 --> 00:59:32,559
where they're from

1627
00:59:36,150 --> 00:59:34,720
and and the thing is they might not be

1628
00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:36,160
extraterrestrial they might be

1629
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:37,280
ultra-terrestrial

1630
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:39,440
they might be dimensional you know or

1631
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:41,760
they could be from a different planet

1632
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:43,680
in that dimension you know it because

1633
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:45,599
they do have the ability

1634
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:48,720
uh to use they use dimensional portals

1635
00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:49,920
to take us

1636
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:52,079
i've witnessed it i've witnessed it you

1637
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:52,960
know uh

1638
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:54,640
people talk about floating through walls

1639
00:59:56,789 --> 00:59:55,680
floating through the wells flowing

1640
00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:56,799
through the wings

1641
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:58,319
in essence they are because it's no

1642
01:00:03,190 --> 01:00:00,240
longer there you know

1643
01:00:04,630 --> 01:00:03,200
they opened up a portal in my bedroom um

1644
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:04,640
and

1645
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:08,880
craft

1646
01:00:15,270 --> 01:00:12,240
and in an instant i mean i was from

1647
01:00:18,870 --> 01:00:15,280
awaken my bed and i was inside a craft

1648
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:18,880
and well i you know i i had mentioned

1649
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:22,000
right before we came to talk to you uh

1650
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:23,440
that i have gone through something

1651
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:24,240
recently

1652
01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:27,119
and uh that's kind of like it was for me

1653
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:28,000
it was like i'm

1654
01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:30,640
here and there you know it's uh it's

1655
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:31,520
almost like

1656
01:00:35,990 --> 01:00:34,240
you're taken into an another astral

1657
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:36,000
plane and

1658
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:37,760
whether it be a planet or another

1659
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:39,440
universe or wherever just

1660
01:00:46,950 --> 01:00:42,960
in a craft uh this wasn't your

1661
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:46,960
typical media type of uh

1662
01:00:51,829 --> 01:00:50,640
abduction you know uh yeah as far media

1663
01:00:53,589 --> 01:00:51,839
goes what what

1664
01:00:57,190 --> 01:00:53,599
what do you feel about the media and how

1665
01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:57,200
they portray abductions

1666
01:01:00,549 --> 01:00:59,440
um well before i get to that though let

1667
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:00,559
me finish on the

1668
01:01:03,750 --> 01:01:03,359
i think i think the grays um are not

1669
01:01:05,829 --> 01:01:03,760
able to

1670
01:01:07,589 --> 01:01:05,839
reproduce anymore i think their bodies

1671
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:07,599
maybe they rely on technology for so

1672
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:08,400
long you know

1673
01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:10,400
uh is why they've atrophied so much and

1674
01:01:15,990 --> 01:01:11,920
maybe even why they because they have

1675
01:01:18,069 --> 01:01:16,000
really a complete lack of emotion um

1676
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:18,079
and and that's one of the things i've

1677
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:19,920
tried to to deal with psychologically is

1678
01:01:23,910 --> 01:01:21,119
like you know they're

1679
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:23,920
they they really don't know you know

1680
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:25,760
they have any empathy so you know

1681
01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:29,040
i've tried not to blame them as much

1682
01:01:32,069 --> 01:01:30,640
uh for some of the stuff they've done

1683
01:01:33,670 --> 01:01:32,079
because uh

1684
01:01:34,789 --> 01:01:33,680
they don't feel things like we do you

1685
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:34,799
know but that's one of the main things

1686
01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:36,559
that they're interested in because

1687
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:39,839
to to the human species

1688
01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:42,480
physically is very appealing to them you

1689
01:01:47,510 --> 01:01:44,400
know what part is physical specimen

1690
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:47,520
especially compared to to the grace uh

1691
01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:50,400
you know intellectually well you know

1692
01:01:54,230 --> 01:01:52,160
come on

1693
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:54,240
you know just take a look around tell us

1694
01:01:58,390 --> 01:01:55,760
how smart we are

1695
01:01:58,950 --> 01:01:58,400
but uh you know but if you combine the

1696
01:02:01,029 --> 01:01:58,960
two

1697
01:02:02,150 --> 01:02:01,039
you know you you've got quite a species

1698
01:02:04,309 --> 01:02:02,160
yeah and

1699
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:04,319
and so you know i think by creating the

1700
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:06,000
hybrids what's happening

1701
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:11,589
that they're coming with they're

1702
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:13,920
shipping some of these same emotional

1703
01:02:17,109 --> 01:02:16,240
traits and characteristics that humans

1704
01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:17,119
have

1705
01:02:21,430 --> 01:02:19,920
so when they take us uh the people

1706
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:21,440
that's been taken multiple times like

1707
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:22,240
myself

1708
01:02:29,349 --> 01:02:26,640
you know we're not only subjected to um

1709
01:02:30,150 --> 01:02:29,359
physical things and and that's one of

1710
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:30,160
the things you know

1711
01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:32,480
like that is evidence you know you're

1712
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:33,599
talking about evidence you know there's

1713
01:02:35,829 --> 01:02:34,319
there's

1714
01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:35,839
unexplained like you talked about you

1715
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:38,000
had a stupid mark you know i've got two

1716
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:40,559
two function marks uh on my side on the

1717
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:42,240
rib cage no exclamation point i've got

1718
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:43,920
stars on my back

1719
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:47,280
uh pretty basic scars uh

1720
01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:49,520
that i've had numerous doctors look at

1721
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:51,440
that cannot explain

1722
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:55,200
um and and in fact uh

1723
01:03:00,150 --> 01:02:58,000
i had a lady contact me that had an

1724
01:03:02,470 --> 01:03:00,160
identical scar on her back

1725
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:02,480
um and it's had lifelong experiences

1726
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:03,680
very similar to mine

1727
01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:05,520
that didn't we don't know each other at

1728
01:03:10,309 --> 01:03:07,680
all uh sent me

1729
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:10,319
a picture and an mri of her scar and

1730
01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:12,240
they found some kind of little

1731
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:14,000
object that her doctor don't even know

1732
01:03:17,910 --> 01:03:15,760
what it is and

1733
01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:17,920
along her spine you know so it's

1734
01:03:21,029 --> 01:03:18,880
probably some kind of an

1735
01:03:22,390 --> 01:03:21,039
implant a strange place for but it's

1736
01:03:24,230 --> 01:03:22,400
something very unique

1737
01:03:26,710 --> 01:03:24,240
and you know so you know you've got

1738
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:26,720
stuff uh physical things

1739
01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:28,559
that happen with these with these events

1740
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:29,760
as well but

1741
01:03:32,870 --> 01:03:32,319
the grades monitor our emotions because

1742
01:03:35,109 --> 01:03:32,880
i think

1743
01:03:36,549 --> 01:03:35,119
they have to because they're dealing

1744
01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:36,559
with these hybrids that are coming up

1745
01:03:39,190 --> 01:03:38,000
that are exhibiting some of these same

1746
01:03:42,309 --> 01:03:39,200
traits

1747
01:03:43,829 --> 01:03:42,319
and you know of course i say good luck

1748
01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:43,839
because i mean we can't we can't even

1749
01:03:48,150 --> 01:03:46,079
figure ourselves out you know so

1750
01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:48,160
um but it's something that they're

1751
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:49,440
having to uh

1752
01:03:53,109 --> 01:03:51,520
to deal with and that's why i think that

1753
01:03:54,950 --> 01:03:53,119
they they've tried to integrate them

1754
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:54,960
into our society as well

1755
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:57,839
um you know they monitor us even with

1756
01:04:02,789 --> 01:03:58,960
the implants

1757
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:02,799
to put us in certain uh situations that

1758
01:04:06,630 --> 01:04:04,319
they can monitor

1759
01:04:07,829 --> 01:04:06,640
uh i think so one of the reasons such a

1760
01:04:11,990 --> 01:04:07,839
long-term project

1761
01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:12,000
you know is is learning uh if they if

1762
01:04:18,630 --> 01:04:15,359
they do go back to wherever they're from

1763
01:04:22,230 --> 01:04:18,640
with millions of hybrids

1764
01:04:25,270 --> 01:04:22,240
uh it's got to be something that

1765
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:25,280
that the tall greys uh want to be able

1766
01:04:28,390 --> 01:04:26,160
to control

1767
01:04:29,990 --> 01:04:28,400
and they have to understand you know the

1768
01:04:33,029 --> 01:04:30,000
psychological

1769
01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:33,039
makeup of what they've created um so

1770
01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:34,880
and it goes way beyond like a small

1771
01:04:39,750 --> 01:04:36,799
smaller grade clones

1772
01:04:40,069 --> 01:04:39,760
who have the height mentality all work

1773
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:40,079
all

1774
01:04:44,069 --> 01:04:42,720
the same you know like central base uh

1775
01:04:45,589 --> 01:04:44,079
and i don't think the hybrids

1776
01:04:47,589 --> 01:04:45,599
are like that i think they're as unique

1777
01:04:50,230 --> 01:04:47,599
and individual as

1778
01:04:51,990 --> 01:04:50,240
the humans are you know so uh that

1779
01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:52,000
really plays into a lot of stuff

1780
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:54,240
that they will try to do in their

1781
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:55,200
experiments

1782
01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:58,319
to put you in scenarios where

1783
01:05:01,990 --> 01:05:00,000
uh just like what they did with me when

1784
01:05:03,990 --> 01:05:02,000
they they they wanted to

1785
01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:04,000
monitor anger well this is what triggers

1786
01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:06,079
this this is how severe it can get you

1787
01:05:09,829 --> 01:05:06,720
know

1788
01:05:11,829 --> 01:05:09,839
uh and they'll do the same thing whether

1789
01:05:13,270 --> 01:05:11,839
whatever it is and even the same thing

1790
01:05:13,829 --> 01:05:13,280
with some of the sexual experiments that

1791
01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:13,839
they do

1792
01:05:17,270 --> 01:05:15,359
you know obviously they understand the

1793
01:05:18,870 --> 01:05:17,280
bio biology of it and they understand

1794
01:05:20,069 --> 01:05:18,880
the human reproductive system

1795
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:20,079
but they don't understand the

1796
01:05:25,829 --> 01:05:22,559
psychological part of it

1797
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:25,839
and uh so they've uh you know their

1798
01:05:27,670 --> 01:05:27,119
stuff that i described in the book you

1799
01:05:30,630 --> 01:05:27,680
know with

1800
01:05:32,630 --> 01:05:30,640
lots of humans uh all together uh in a

1801
01:05:34,309 --> 01:05:32,640
room but they were observing

1802
01:05:36,630 --> 01:05:34,319
and you know it sounds like some kind of

1803
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:36,640
a big lord became but trust me it was

1804
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:37,760
far from that

1805
01:05:42,309 --> 01:05:40,799
and and funny enough i ran into another

1806
01:05:45,990 --> 01:05:42,319
lady

1807
01:05:47,029 --> 01:05:46,000
who contacted me and said the same thing

1808
01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:47,039
happened to me

1809
01:05:50,150 --> 01:05:49,920
very similar type room all humans all in

1810
01:05:57,510 --> 01:05:50,160
a

1811
01:06:00,309 --> 01:05:57,520
like they were um coherent

1812
01:06:01,430 --> 01:06:00,319
as far as being able to go about but

1813
01:06:05,109 --> 01:06:01,440
they seem to be

1814
01:06:07,510 --> 01:06:05,119
in some kind of drug stupor um

1815
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:07,520
and maybe i was too and you know maybe

1816
01:06:09,829 --> 01:06:08,640
we were all they were all observing

1817
01:06:13,510 --> 01:06:09,839
things just like i was

1818
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:13,520
uh but this lady described the exact

1819
01:06:17,670 --> 01:06:14,880
same thing

1820
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:17,680
and said um that these guys would get on

1821
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:19,200
top of it when they wouldn't look at her

1822
01:06:22,069 --> 01:06:20,480
in the face they were they were like

1823
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:22,079
looking above her like you know like she

1824
01:06:27,270 --> 01:06:23,520
wasn't even there

1825
01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:27,280
and uh she had a rudimentary

1826
01:06:32,309 --> 01:06:30,480
drawing of this room that she had given

1827
01:06:33,349 --> 01:06:32,319
to her therapist which happens to be a

1828
01:06:36,470 --> 01:06:33,359
lady that i know

1829
01:06:38,549 --> 01:06:36,480
here in tennessee um and it all happened

1830
01:06:41,829 --> 01:06:38,559
before my book even came out

1831
01:06:44,829 --> 01:06:41,839
and when she read the description

1832
01:06:45,990 --> 01:06:44,839
of uh when i was put through that

1833
01:06:49,109 --> 01:06:46,000
experiment

1834
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:49,119
um and i think that's what it was

1835
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:50,640
and it freaked her out because it was

1836
01:06:54,069 --> 01:06:52,559
almost you know verbatim of what exactly

1837
01:06:56,150 --> 01:06:54,079
had happened to her

1838
01:06:57,990 --> 01:06:56,160
and so she sent me the drawing you know

1839
01:07:00,069 --> 01:06:58,000
i'm like wow you know

1840
01:07:02,150 --> 01:07:00,079
we didn't know we didn't know each other

1841
01:07:05,029 --> 01:07:02,160
and of course one would say

1842
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:05,039
at first my thought was uh well she just

1843
01:07:08,069 --> 01:07:06,240
read

1844
01:07:09,910 --> 01:07:08,079
but it wasn't my book maybe she drew

1845
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:09,920
this afterward you know and then i got a

1846
01:07:14,069 --> 01:07:11,200
hold of her therapist and

1847
01:07:15,589 --> 01:07:14,079
it was verified that she had given that

1848
01:07:18,870 --> 01:07:15,599
drawing to her

1849
01:07:20,470 --> 01:07:18,880
before my book even came out

1850
01:07:23,349 --> 01:07:20,480
you know you hadn't mentioned i've heard

1851
01:07:25,829 --> 01:07:23,359
you mentioned on other shows

1852
01:07:27,589 --> 01:07:25,839
about uh an incident that happened to

1853
01:07:31,190 --> 01:07:27,599
you and i believe it's the first time

1854
01:07:34,789 --> 01:07:31,200
when your wife was abducted gina

1855
01:07:39,109 --> 01:07:36,470
you had the three greys that were

1856
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:39,119
standing beside your bed

1857
01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:42,240
and the wall behind them was no longer

1858
01:07:48,069 --> 01:07:45,760
solid and you could see through it and

1859
01:07:49,829 --> 01:07:48,079
it that kind of that kind of grabbed my

1860
01:07:52,950 --> 01:07:49,839
attention because

1861
01:07:55,670 --> 01:07:52,960
uh one gentleman i had

1862
01:07:57,510 --> 01:07:55,680
worked with he was an abductee by the

1863
01:08:00,950 --> 01:07:57,520
name of david eckhart

1864
01:08:02,630 --> 01:08:00,960
uh has had the same phenomena happen to

1865
01:08:04,309 --> 01:08:02,640
him

1866
01:08:05,829 --> 01:08:04,319
where he can look well that's what i was

1867
01:08:07,190 --> 01:08:05,839
uh

1868
01:08:08,789 --> 01:08:07,200
yeah well that's what i was talking

1869
01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:08,799
about earlier the dimensional portal i

1870
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:09,280
mean

1871
01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:12,960
that was it uh you know we we

1872
01:08:17,590 --> 01:08:15,760
my interest in the paranormal um one of

1873
01:08:20,709 --> 01:08:17,600
the things that happens

1874
01:08:22,229 --> 01:08:20,719
is because of this in my opinion uh what

1875
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:22,239
happens to us when we're taken through

1876
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:25,520
these portals it changes our

1877
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:28,239
vibrational rate you know our g our

1878
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:29,920
image whatever you want to call it

1879
01:08:34,149 --> 01:08:32,799
um and we start i think we started

1880
01:08:36,229 --> 01:08:34,159
vibrating at a faster

1881
01:08:38,149 --> 01:08:36,239
rate a little closer to what the spirit

1882
01:08:41,829 --> 01:08:38,159
world was vibrating at

1883
01:08:45,030 --> 01:08:41,839
and because of that we sort of become

1884
01:08:47,189 --> 01:08:45,040
a beacon to the spirit world and many

1885
01:08:49,829 --> 01:08:47,199
many abductees

1886
01:08:50,789 --> 01:08:49,839
report having high incidence paranormal

1887
01:08:53,430 --> 01:08:50,799
activity

1888
01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:53,440
beginning after their experiences and

1889
01:08:55,189 --> 01:08:54,719
that's what happened to me and i was a

1890
01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:55,199
kid

1891
01:08:58,309 --> 01:08:56,960
i didn't i didn't remember my abductions

1892
01:09:02,070 --> 01:08:58,319
at the time

1893
01:09:02,709 --> 01:09:02,080
but um i was getting i was just haunted

1894
01:09:04,390 --> 01:09:02,719
like

1895
01:09:06,309 --> 01:09:04,400
we moved a lot wherever we moved no

1896
01:09:09,030 --> 01:09:06,319
matter wild house anything

1897
01:09:10,870 --> 01:09:09,040
uh there was always kind of stuff and i

1898
01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:10,880
talked about quite a bit in the book

1899
01:09:13,990 --> 01:09:12,560
uh some of the more major things that

1900
01:09:15,349 --> 01:09:14,000
happened and that's what got me

1901
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:15,359
got interested in the paranormal to

1902
01:09:17,269 --> 01:09:16,799
begin with because i wanted to make it

1903
01:09:19,349 --> 01:09:17,279
stop

1904
01:09:21,430 --> 01:09:19,359
you know i lived my whole childhood like

1905
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:21,440
scared out of my mind of this stuff

1906
01:09:25,110 --> 01:09:24,560
uh but now what's happened and what i've

1907
01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:25,120
learned is

1908
01:09:28,149 --> 01:09:26,880
a lot of us uh you know my whole thing

1909
01:09:29,829 --> 01:09:28,159
was spirit communication you know i

1910
01:09:33,430 --> 01:09:29,839
would i would hear them

1911
01:09:35,990 --> 01:09:33,440
talking to me you know and uh

1912
01:09:37,749 --> 01:09:36,000
and still do of course now uh i can

1913
01:09:38,470 --> 01:09:37,759
record it you know i can say uh someone

1914
01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:38,480
just said

1915
01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:40,640
whatever and when i'm with a group of

1916
01:09:44,470 --> 01:09:42,400
people and they might not have heard it

1917
01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:44,480
but you know i'll have my digital

1918
01:09:48,070 --> 01:09:46,159
recorder and we'll play it back and sure

1919
01:09:51,829 --> 01:09:48,080
enough there's the evp you know

1920
01:09:54,550 --> 01:09:51,839
um and and so i've i've learned

1921
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:54,560
that many of the abductees will come

1922
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:55,199
back with

1923
01:09:59,030 --> 01:09:57,520
some sort of enhanced psychic ability

1924
01:10:00,070 --> 01:09:59,040
and i hate the word psychic you know

1925
01:10:01,510 --> 01:10:00,080
because it has such a negative

1926
01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:01,520
connotation to it and there's so many

1927
01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:03,360
thoughts and shapes out there

1928
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:05,920
you know but there are also the real

1929
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:06,480
things

1930
01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:09,840
um and you know when you when you do

1931
01:10:13,270 --> 01:10:11,520
stuff long enough you start learning how

1932
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:13,280
to discern between the two

1933
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:16,640
but uh but i i believe that

1934
01:10:20,390 --> 01:10:19,360
is all stems from what you talked about

1935
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:20,400
of these

1936
01:10:24,310 --> 01:10:23,520
these these dimensional portals opening

1937
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:24,320
up

1938
01:10:27,910 --> 01:10:26,400
uh were taken through this and there's

1939
01:10:29,110 --> 01:10:27,920
something that happens to the human body

1940
01:10:32,470 --> 01:10:29,120
by going through

1941
01:10:32,870 --> 01:10:32,480
these uh these portals and i don't think

1942
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:32,880
i can

1943
01:10:35,990 --> 01:10:35,280
that i come up with was that it seems to

1944
01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:36,000
raise

1945
01:10:39,669 --> 01:10:38,640
our vibrational rate and we match up

1946
01:10:41,669 --> 01:10:39,679
more closely

1947
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:41,679
uh you know with the spirit world and of

1948
01:10:44,470 --> 01:10:42,960
course if you're

1949
01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:44,480
in the spirit world and i really believe

1950
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:46,320
that most hauntings are our

1951
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:47,920
spirit seeking help and not trying to

1952
01:10:52,630 --> 01:10:50,320
scare us

1953
01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:52,640
and uh always wanting to communicate for

1954
01:10:56,709 --> 01:10:54,000
whatever reason

1955
01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:56,719
and and and that's what happens you know

1956
01:11:00,630 --> 01:10:57,040
they

1957
01:11:02,790 --> 01:11:00,640
their side someone

1958
01:11:04,550 --> 01:11:02,800
that has the ability to either see them

1959
01:11:10,229 --> 01:11:04,560
hear them feel them

1960
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:11,430
personally you know two or three

1961
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:13,600
different abductees some of them are

1962
01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:14,960
full-fledged mediums

1963
01:11:18,149 --> 01:11:16,560
you know we've actually worked together

1964
01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:18,159
before and stuff so

1965
01:11:23,030 --> 01:11:21,120
uh and it has this ability and um you

1966
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:23,040
know i resisted it for a long time i

1967
01:11:26,790 --> 01:11:24,400
didn't understand it

1968
01:11:28,310 --> 01:11:26,800
but once i did i decided like wow this

1969
01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:28,320
is something positive if i can

1970
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:29,760
pull from a lot you know what what i

1971
01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:31,440
consider negative experiences

1972
01:11:34,470 --> 01:11:32,960
and it's a coping mechanism if there's

1973
01:11:37,030 --> 01:11:34,480
anybody out there listening that

1974
01:11:37,750 --> 01:11:37,040
that has had these abductions and has

1975
01:11:39,669 --> 01:11:37,760
affected you

1976
01:11:41,189 --> 01:11:39,679
psychologically that's one of the things

1977
01:11:43,110 --> 01:11:41,199
you you have to do

1978
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:43,120
is the first thing is to talk to

1979
01:11:45,669 --> 01:11:44,400
somebody there's always somebody that

1980
01:11:48,709 --> 01:11:45,679
will listen

1981
01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:48,719
and get it off your chest and secondly

1982
01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:52,800
if you have came back with any sort of

1983
01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:54,960
enhanced psychic awareness is the way i

1984
01:11:59,590 --> 01:11:56,400
like to phrase it

1985
01:12:01,510 --> 01:11:59,600
use it um you know it's it's something

1986
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:01,520
that you can turn into a positive

1987
01:12:07,750 --> 01:12:04,800
uh i use mine to help people you know

1988
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:07,760
both sides the living and those of the

1989
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:09,360
uh you know i don't even like to use the

1990
01:12:11,830 --> 01:12:10,239
word dead i don't

1991
01:12:13,350 --> 01:12:11,840
i don't even believe in that it's simply

1992
01:12:15,910 --> 01:12:13,360
a transition and

1993
01:12:17,350 --> 01:12:15,920
and uh and i when i started doing that i

1994
01:12:17,669 --> 01:12:17,360
was like wow this is something you know

1995
01:12:21,189 --> 01:12:17,679
this

1996
01:12:23,189 --> 01:12:21,199
if i had not had these experiences

1997
01:12:24,950 --> 01:12:23,199
uh so it's something that it's a

1998
01:12:27,030 --> 01:12:24,960
positive that i pull from it

1999
01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:27,040
um and there's there's lots of stuff

2000
01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:29,600
like that you can empower yourself here

2001
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:32,000
and it really helps you to cope with

2002
01:12:34,470 --> 01:12:32,880
what uh

2003
01:12:36,149 --> 01:12:34,480
because you have no power there

2004
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:36,159
whatsoever i mean you're basically a

2005
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:37,199
human guinea pig

2006
01:12:40,709 --> 01:12:39,120
and uh and it really affects you

2007
01:12:41,910 --> 01:12:40,719
psychologically and your self-worth and

2008
01:12:43,830 --> 01:12:41,920
everything because of that

2009
01:12:45,750 --> 01:12:43,840
but you can turn it around you know i've

2010
01:12:49,030 --> 01:12:45,760
done it i'm nothing special you know

2011
01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:49,040
i i it's just uh you become very strong

2012
01:12:51,510 --> 01:12:49,679
from it

2013
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:51,520
but if you if you pull the positives

2014
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:53,360
from these experiences

2015
01:12:58,790 --> 01:12:56,400
like that um and use it

2016
01:12:59,510 --> 01:12:58,800
um then you win you know i mean it's

2017
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:59,520
that simple

2018
01:13:02,709 --> 01:13:01,440
and it helps everybody and so i

2019
01:13:03,430 --> 01:13:02,719
encourage anybody that's had these

2020
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:03,440
experiences

2021
01:13:09,910 --> 01:13:07,120
to to do that yeah i agree with you

2022
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:09,920
and i i do believe there is a connection

2023
01:13:13,830 --> 01:13:11,440
as far as

2024
01:13:15,189 --> 01:13:13,840
spiritual activity uh paranormal

2025
01:13:18,310 --> 01:13:15,199
activity

2026
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:18,320
uh and you're right there there are a

2027
01:13:22,550 --> 01:13:19,920
lot of people that have ex

2028
01:13:25,189 --> 01:13:22,560
that say or have said that they are

2029
01:13:28,390 --> 01:13:25,199
experiencers or abductees

2030
01:13:32,149 --> 01:13:28,400
who are intuitives are

2031
01:13:34,229 --> 01:13:32,159
have some type of uh some type of

2032
01:13:35,189 --> 01:13:34,239
ability to be able to clairvoyance

2033
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:35,199
basically

2034
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:38,239
uh that you know they're able to use and

2035
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:41,679
uh yeah i agree with you in that 100

2036
01:13:48,310 --> 01:13:46,000
um now talking about alien beings

2037
01:13:51,990 --> 01:13:48,320
have you ever had contact with any other

2038
01:13:59,030 --> 01:13:55,350
um recently i did

2039
01:14:02,390 --> 01:13:59,040
uh it was a i i've actually

2040
01:14:05,590 --> 01:14:02,400
uh witnessed other humans

2041
01:14:06,870 --> 01:14:05,600
working along with the greys uh in in a

2042
01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:06,880
location that

2043
01:14:11,270 --> 01:14:10,560
i don't believe was uh any kind of craft

2044
01:14:14,310 --> 01:14:11,280
i believe it was

2045
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:14,320
it was some somewhere here on earth um

2046
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:17,600
and but i've encountered um

2047
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:20,800
also human clones

2048
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:22,560
i mean men that seem to be working for

2049
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:24,960
the graves it looked exactly alike

2050
01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:28,400
yeah yeah which was which is to me very

2051
01:14:32,709 --> 01:14:29,520
alarming

2052
01:14:33,669 --> 01:14:32,719
um and as is you know i mean it's

2053
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:33,679
obvious that there's

2054
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:37,199
a certain faction within the government

2055
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:37,920
you know some

2056
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:40,320
black ops stuff that working alongside

2057
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:41,360
with these guys

2058
01:14:45,510 --> 01:14:44,400
i mean there's this and you know we

2059
01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:45,520
talked about earlier that the

2060
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:47,520
technology tradeoff and and all that i

2061
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:48,960
mean either

2062
01:14:55,430 --> 01:14:52,080
either mankind got

2063
01:14:58,070 --> 01:14:55,440
way up on the uh intellectual iq

2064
01:14:59,189 --> 01:14:58,080
you know the the the quotient went way

2065
01:15:02,149 --> 01:14:59,199
up uh

2066
01:15:03,110 --> 01:15:02,159
you know 75 85 years ago um because we

2067
01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:03,120
were just sort of

2068
01:15:07,030 --> 01:15:05,920
planes and uh you know cars going 40

2069
01:15:08,790 --> 01:15:07,040
miles an hour

2070
01:15:10,310 --> 01:15:08,800
and all of a sudden if you look at the

2071
01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:10,320
whole existence of how long we've been

2072
01:15:14,790 --> 01:15:11,120
here

2073
01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:14,800
um how long it took us to get to that

2074
01:15:18,630 --> 01:15:17,840
point um thousands of years to get to

2075
01:15:21,750 --> 01:15:18,640
that point and

2076
01:15:22,550 --> 01:15:21,760
then in just less than 100 years we're

2077
01:15:26,070 --> 01:15:22,560
now

2078
01:15:29,510 --> 01:15:26,080
technology all these

2079
01:15:30,870 --> 01:15:29,520
stuff just moving super rapidly

2080
01:15:32,470 --> 01:15:30,880
if you just look at it in the whole

2081
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:32,480
timeline of you know how long we've been

2082
01:15:35,430 --> 01:15:33,360
around

2083
01:15:37,189 --> 01:15:35,440
uh so either we got really really

2084
01:15:40,390 --> 01:15:37,199
intelligent all of a sudden

2085
01:15:40,870 --> 01:15:40,400
do this stuff or we had help and you

2086
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:40,880
know

2087
01:15:45,669 --> 01:15:42,960
i tend to think we had help and so yeah

2088
01:15:49,270 --> 01:15:46,950
yeah i think there was a trade off

2089
01:15:50,790 --> 01:15:49,280
somewhere down the line uh

2090
01:15:52,630 --> 01:15:50,800
yeah whether it was the eisenhower thing

2091
01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:52,640
you know that's that's yeah you know

2092
01:15:56,229 --> 01:15:54,560
that's a big one who knows i don't know

2093
01:15:57,430 --> 01:15:56,239
you know it's like i don't think anybody

2094
01:16:00,149 --> 01:15:57,440
really knows but i

2095
01:16:00,790 --> 01:16:00,159
i do know that uh i've seen other humans

2096
01:16:04,149 --> 01:16:00,800
um

2097
01:16:06,310 --> 01:16:04,159
working uh alongside uh with the greys

2098
01:16:07,270 --> 01:16:06,320
but yeah the only other uh and beside

2099
01:16:10,310 --> 01:16:07,280
the clones

2100
01:16:13,510 --> 01:16:10,320
uh i i did have a an encounter

2101
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:13,520
uh with what to me

2102
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:16,560
uh was was very frightening i tried my

2103
01:16:20,070 --> 01:16:18,719
best to uh one of the things i i pulled

2104
01:16:22,229 --> 01:16:20,080
from all these experiences

2105
01:16:23,270 --> 01:16:22,239
and and even a lot of my paranormal work

2106
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:23,280
is to

2107
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:25,920
have a life of no fear uh you know

2108
01:16:28,470 --> 01:16:27,120
because i figured like

2109
01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:28,480
i don't know things happened to me what

2110
01:16:33,669 --> 01:16:30,400
do i have to be afraid of you know

2111
01:16:36,310 --> 01:16:33,679
and but this one um

2112
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:36,320
really shook me up um i mean really

2113
01:16:42,790 --> 01:16:37,199
shook me up

2114
01:16:47,510 --> 01:16:45,830
some sort of a hybrid uh that looks uh

2115
01:16:48,870 --> 01:16:47,520
it really looked like a combination of a

2116
01:16:52,390 --> 01:16:48,880
human a gray

2117
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:52,400
and reptilian um and you know i know

2118
01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:52,800
there's

2119
01:16:58,229 --> 01:16:56,080
uh i've never seen an actual reptilian

2120
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:58,239
um i've talked to others who've seen

2121
01:17:02,790 --> 01:17:00,480
gray's engine reptilians together

2122
01:17:04,310 --> 01:17:02,800
uh and and sometimes with the reptilians

2123
01:17:05,590 --> 01:17:04,320
it seems like people have a

2124
01:17:07,030 --> 01:17:05,600
harder time even wrapping their head

2125
01:17:09,510 --> 01:17:07,040
around that you know because you're

2126
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:09,520
talking some kind of uh

2127
01:17:15,669 --> 01:17:12,880
reptile looking creature you know um

2128
01:17:15,990 --> 01:17:15,679
but there's you know a lot of evidence

2129
01:17:18,790 --> 01:17:16,000
with that

2130
01:17:20,390 --> 01:17:18,800
you know in fact i'm not so sure that

2131
01:17:24,149 --> 01:17:20,400
they're even extraterrestrial

2132
01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:24,159
they might have been here all along um

2133
01:17:27,830 --> 01:17:26,719
you may be right about that uh there has

2134
01:17:31,669 --> 01:17:27,840
there is

2135
01:17:34,470 --> 01:17:31,679
well may be true

2136
01:17:36,310 --> 01:17:34,480
now that's a thought well yeah i mean

2137
01:17:37,669 --> 01:17:36,320
you know i just go back to some of the

2138
01:17:40,070 --> 01:17:37,679
things i heard

2139
01:17:41,270 --> 01:17:40,080
from other experiencers in particular

2140
01:17:42,790 --> 01:17:41,280
david where

2141
01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:42,800
he has been taking the underground

2142
01:17:47,189 --> 01:17:44,320
underwater facilities

2143
01:17:48,229 --> 01:17:47,199
and where there be humans working along

2144
01:17:52,709 --> 01:17:48,239
with

2145
01:17:55,830 --> 01:17:52,719
other species in in these undergrounds

2146
01:17:59,189 --> 01:17:55,840
uh even doing labor manual work

2147
01:18:01,669 --> 01:17:59,199
uh and there is a hierarchy i mean

2148
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:01,679
that you know there's uh the grays like

2149
01:18:04,630 --> 01:18:02,880
you said earlier the

2150
01:18:06,550 --> 01:18:04,640
the small grain seemed to be a

2151
01:18:09,189 --> 01:18:06,560
biological type of

2152
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:09,199
entity used strictly for work and taking

2153
01:18:13,669 --> 01:18:10,239
orders

2154
01:18:15,350 --> 01:18:13,679
uh the tall grays seem to be an actual

2155
01:18:19,590 --> 01:18:15,360
biological

2156
01:18:22,870 --> 01:18:19,600
uh flesh and blood type of creature

2157
01:18:26,149 --> 01:18:22,880
and it seems that for the most part

2158
01:18:28,229 --> 01:18:26,159
that the reptilians kind of

2159
01:18:30,390 --> 01:18:28,239
put things in order but they have they

2160
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:30,400
got something above them as well

2161
01:18:33,750 --> 01:18:32,239
i mean you would call them insectoids or

2162
01:18:36,550 --> 01:18:33,760
whatever you want to call them

2163
01:18:37,669 --> 01:18:36,560
but there does seem to be a hierarchy

2164
01:18:39,990 --> 01:18:37,679
and uh

2165
01:18:41,830 --> 01:18:40,000
you know i was just interested if you

2166
01:18:43,270 --> 01:18:41,840
had ever you know if you had experienced

2167
01:18:45,030 --> 01:18:43,280
any of that at all

2168
01:18:47,510 --> 01:18:45,040
though yeah there have been people that

2169
01:18:50,709 --> 01:18:47,520
have experienced it

2170
01:18:54,149 --> 01:18:50,719
yeah yeah uh i have had experience

2171
01:18:55,030 --> 01:18:54,159
uh also uh in on was an underwater

2172
01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:55,040
facility

2173
01:19:01,669 --> 01:18:58,480
um and i remember like being put in

2174
01:19:02,550 --> 01:19:01,679
a tube like it was some kind of a small

2175
01:19:06,149 --> 01:19:02,560
little

2176
01:19:07,510 --> 01:19:06,159
craft uh and they there was me and three

2177
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:07,520
other people

2178
01:19:12,390 --> 01:19:10,320
humans and there was these little

2179
01:19:15,590 --> 01:19:12,400
cylinder tube things

2180
01:19:17,590 --> 01:19:15,600
that they actually locked us in which

2181
01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:17,600
got me very claustrophobic

2182
01:19:24,070 --> 01:19:20,880
and i could actually see

2183
01:19:26,870 --> 01:19:24,080
out the top of it as the

2184
01:19:28,229 --> 01:19:26,880
as the uh the craft went under water and

2185
01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:28,239
i could see all this water like

2186
01:19:31,350 --> 01:19:30,640
rushing really fast you know and it

2187
01:19:34,470 --> 01:19:31,360
really uh

2188
01:19:38,310 --> 01:19:34,480
it really freaked me out um and

2189
01:19:41,189 --> 01:19:38,320
ended up in an underwater facility uh

2190
01:19:41,750 --> 01:19:41,199
a dome-shaped uh part of it you could

2191
01:19:44,790 --> 01:19:41,760
actually

2192
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:44,800
look out you know into into the sea

2193
01:19:50,229 --> 01:19:47,760
um on the floor of the ocean yeah yeah

2194
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:50,239
that's what's been described to me

2195
01:19:56,470 --> 01:19:53,280
um they had these

2196
01:19:57,430 --> 01:19:56,480
these um these underground facilities

2197
01:20:00,070 --> 01:19:57,440
that like you said

2198
01:20:02,070 --> 01:20:00,080
seem to be domed where you can see out

2199
01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:02,080
of it and uh

2200
01:20:05,350 --> 01:20:04,560
they're more like cities the ones under

2201
01:20:09,750 --> 01:20:05,360
water

2202
01:20:12,390 --> 01:20:09,760
they're more like cities and yeah yeah

2203
01:20:13,110 --> 01:20:12,400
yeah it's pretty interesting i mean and

2204
01:20:15,830 --> 01:20:13,120
actually

2205
01:20:17,590 --> 01:20:15,840
a lot of what you're telling me is a lot

2206
01:20:20,149 --> 01:20:17,600
of what i've been hearing from

2207
01:20:21,830 --> 01:20:20,159
one person in particular though i have

2208
01:20:25,030 --> 01:20:21,840
heard other things from other

2209
01:20:27,990 --> 01:20:25,040
experiences but uh

2210
01:20:29,030 --> 01:20:28,000
yeah the thing with the uh the portal in

2211
01:20:32,070 --> 01:20:29,040
the bedroom

2212
01:20:36,070 --> 01:20:32,080
seeing into a facility is

2213
01:20:38,470 --> 01:20:36,080
wow yeah well what happened on that

2214
01:20:39,750 --> 01:20:38,480
is and part of what uh reason i got into

2215
01:20:42,470 --> 01:20:39,760
the talking about a little bit about the

2216
01:20:44,709 --> 01:20:42,480
turmoil is because a lot of times

2217
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:44,719
uh you know in the quiet of the night is

2218
01:20:48,229 --> 01:20:46,400
when i will be visited

2219
01:20:49,350 --> 01:20:48,239
uh which of course if you're scared of

2220
01:20:51,590 --> 01:20:49,360
this perfect time to try to get

2221
01:20:55,270 --> 01:20:51,600
somebody's attention

2222
01:20:57,830 --> 01:20:55,280
and and i

2223
01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:57,840
was awakened by this tapping on the side

2224
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:59,040
of my bed that's what

2225
01:21:02,390 --> 01:21:00,480
you're talking about and i just heard a

2226
01:21:04,149 --> 01:21:02,400
lot of that kind of sound

2227
01:21:07,189 --> 01:21:04,159
uh i wrote about this in the book and

2228
01:21:09,270 --> 01:21:07,199
and uh i didn't immediately open my eyes

2229
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:09,280
because uh and i'm sure you guys are

2230
01:21:12,149 --> 01:21:10,560
aware of this but a lot of times you

2231
01:21:15,189 --> 01:21:12,159
know you can actually

2232
01:21:17,990 --> 01:21:15,199
scare a ghost away you know

2233
01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:18,000
i mean seriously so uh if you're

2234
01:21:23,510 --> 01:21:19,360
reacting the wrong way

2235
01:21:27,270 --> 01:21:23,520
you know uh and and so i was like i

2236
01:21:27,990 --> 01:21:27,280
my first thought was uh it was a spirit

2237
01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:28,000
you know uh

2238
01:21:31,030 --> 01:21:29,520
somebody needed help because that's

2239
01:21:34,149 --> 01:21:31,040
usually why they're coming for

2240
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:34,159
in my case and uh so i didn't open my

2241
01:21:37,430 --> 01:21:35,120
eyes i

2242
01:21:38,550 --> 01:21:37,440
it hooked me up uh i almost had a sleep

2243
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:38,560
disorder as it is

2244
01:21:42,229 --> 01:21:40,560
uh you know i'm a very very likely for

2245
01:21:42,950 --> 01:21:42,239
all i'm sure stemming from my

2246
01:21:45,990 --> 01:21:42,960
experiences

2247
01:21:49,350 --> 01:21:46,000
and um and i'm on edge a lot

2248
01:21:51,350 --> 01:21:49,360
uh during you know a lot of

2249
01:21:52,950 --> 01:21:51,360
it's not like normal life for people to

2250
01:21:53,270 --> 01:21:52,960
just go to bed and don't think about you

2251
01:21:55,830 --> 01:21:53,280
know

2252
01:21:57,750 --> 01:21:55,840
when the dusty goes to bed you always in

2253
01:22:00,149 --> 01:21:57,760
the back of your mind

2254
01:22:02,149 --> 01:22:00,159
you know tonight the night you know

2255
01:22:05,189 --> 01:22:02,159
imagine

2256
01:22:06,870 --> 01:22:05,199
um you know that type of thing and

2257
01:22:09,430 --> 01:22:06,880
and uh i mean i haven't had an

2258
01:22:10,950 --> 01:22:09,440
experience that i remember in a year now

2259
01:22:13,189 --> 01:22:10,960
you know which is a very long time for

2260
01:22:15,270 --> 01:22:13,199
me and it's been i i i'm

2261
01:22:16,550 --> 01:22:15,280
it's peaceful i was just going to ask

2262
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:16,560
you when your

2263
01:22:22,070 --> 01:22:19,920
last encounter was

2264
01:22:23,590 --> 01:22:22,080
yeah it's been it's been about that you

2265
01:22:24,870 --> 01:22:23,600
know but what happened is i hear this

2266
01:22:27,189 --> 01:22:24,880
rat attack sound and

2267
01:22:29,270 --> 01:22:27,199
my first thought was uh you know spirit

2268
01:22:31,030 --> 01:22:29,280
and so i just didn't want to like

2269
01:22:32,790 --> 01:22:31,040
i actually sincerely wanted to help but

2270
01:22:35,110 --> 01:22:32,800
uh i reached this point where i

2271
01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:35,120
i mean i talk to him all you know all

2272
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:36,560
the time it's not something i'm

2273
01:22:42,950 --> 01:22:40,560
afraid of and uh i hear it again

2274
01:22:44,709 --> 01:22:42,960
and i decided just to open my eyes and

2275
01:22:47,189 --> 01:22:44,719
not move

2276
01:22:48,629 --> 01:22:47,199
may or may not see full body apparition

2277
01:22:50,310 --> 01:22:48,639
uh sometimes i have

2278
01:22:52,550 --> 01:22:50,320
other times you know they don't have the

2279
01:22:54,870 --> 01:22:52,560
energy to do that and

2280
01:22:55,990 --> 01:22:54,880
i'll just try to speak to them if i can

2281
01:23:00,470 --> 01:22:56,000
hear them

2282
01:23:02,550 --> 01:23:00,480
and uh instead i'm laying on my side

2283
01:23:04,149 --> 01:23:02,560
toward toward the edge of the bed where

2284
01:23:07,669 --> 01:23:04,159
the tapping is coming from

2285
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:07,679
when i open my eyes i see this oval

2286
01:23:10,709 --> 01:23:08,159
shape

2287
01:23:12,310 --> 01:23:10,719
oh i see three grays standing right on

2288
01:23:13,510 --> 01:23:12,320
the edge of my bed which

2289
01:23:15,350 --> 01:23:13,520
obviously were the ones making the

2290
01:23:19,189 --> 01:23:15,360
tapping noise uh

2291
01:23:20,470 --> 01:23:19,199
and i see my whole bedroom wall which i

2292
01:23:23,430 --> 01:23:20,480
was facing

2293
01:23:24,229 --> 01:23:23,440
was gone and in this place was this oval

2294
01:23:28,390 --> 01:23:24,239
shape

2295
01:23:31,990 --> 01:23:30,550
watery kind of texture you know like

2296
01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:32,000
like in a mirage but it was

2297
01:23:35,830 --> 01:23:35,040
upright and but it was clear enough you

2298
01:23:39,510 --> 01:23:35,840
could still see

2299
01:23:42,709 --> 01:23:39,520
foot um and there was this white

2300
01:23:47,189 --> 01:23:42,719
kind of uh misty stuff

2301
01:23:50,550 --> 01:23:47,199
around it uh maybe 18 inches

2302
01:23:53,669 --> 01:23:50,560
all the way around it and i could see

2303
01:23:56,709 --> 01:23:53,679
another gray in that i could see into

2304
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:56,719
into the craft and um they have a

2305
01:23:59,990 --> 01:23:58,320
what i call like sort of a receiving

2306
01:24:01,990 --> 01:24:00,000
room like when they first take

2307
01:24:03,430 --> 01:24:02,000
it's not very big and it's sort of this

2308
01:24:05,590 --> 01:24:03,440
initial

2309
01:24:06,629 --> 01:24:05,600
place they look you over before they do

2310
01:24:07,990 --> 01:24:06,639
whatever they're gonna do for that

2311
01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:08,000
particular time

2312
01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:11,600
and um but it was waiting

2313
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:15,520
and my first thought was uh gina

2314
01:24:18,790 --> 01:24:18,080
and i i was didn't want you know like i

2315
01:24:23,110 --> 01:24:18,800
said earlier

2316
01:24:26,470 --> 01:24:23,120
you don't want anybody else taken and um

2317
01:24:29,030 --> 01:24:26,480
and so i i tried to uh

2318
01:24:30,629 --> 01:24:29,040
speak to them like you know basically i

2319
01:24:31,510 --> 01:24:30,639
tried to wake her up and i was trying to

2320
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:31,520
you know like

2321
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:33,840
i don't know what what i thought at the

2322
01:24:35,990 --> 01:24:35,520
time that she was going to be able to do

2323
01:24:37,910 --> 01:24:36,000
but

2324
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:37,920
you know it's just your first thing is

2325
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:39,120
like

2326
01:24:43,189 --> 01:24:41,440
just to react and naturally try to get

2327
01:24:46,310 --> 01:24:43,199
away you know

2328
01:24:49,270 --> 01:24:46,320
and i couldn't speak and i was so

2329
01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:49,280
frustrated like i was trying to

2330
01:24:57,270 --> 01:24:52,560
to scream to wake her up and i couldn't

2331
01:24:58,950 --> 01:24:57,280
and then i i was started

2332
01:25:00,629 --> 01:24:58,960
in my mind like you know begging them

2333
01:25:04,310 --> 01:25:00,639
not to take her

2334
01:25:08,390 --> 01:25:04,320
and uh i started to scream the word

2335
01:25:11,910 --> 01:25:08,400
no meaning you know no don't take her

2336
01:25:13,189 --> 01:25:11,920
and as i was starting to in my mind

2337
01:25:16,229 --> 01:25:13,199
trying to scream it

2338
01:25:18,790 --> 01:25:16,239
in that instant i was on the ship

2339
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:18,800
and the word came out the rest of the

2340
01:25:24,149 --> 01:25:20,000
world

2341
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:24,159
of a one-syllable word and

2342
01:25:30,229 --> 01:25:27,360
that was it you know and that was but

2343
01:25:32,310 --> 01:25:30,239
uh i think they knew that looking back

2344
01:25:33,110 --> 01:25:32,320
on them now i think they did me a favor

2345
01:25:36,229 --> 01:25:33,120
because

2346
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:36,239
um i had sort of expressed that uh i

2347
01:25:40,629 --> 01:25:37,679
think they knew

2348
01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:40,639
that it bothered me that i i never knew

2349
01:25:45,189 --> 01:25:41,760
how they were doing it

2350
01:25:45,669 --> 01:25:45,199
like all these years and um and so i

2351
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:45,679
think they

2352
01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:47,760
like oh we'll wake him up we'll show

2353
01:25:51,750 --> 01:25:50,080
them and that's exactly what they did

2354
01:25:53,510 --> 01:25:51,760
so in a way i guess they did me a favor

2355
01:25:54,629 --> 01:25:53,520
you know but because they always fought

2356
01:25:57,510 --> 01:25:54,639
the other reedy's account

2357
01:25:58,950 --> 01:25:57,520
you know and and i i know there's times

2358
01:26:00,870 --> 01:25:58,960
i would see him

2359
01:26:02,149 --> 01:26:00,880
then i would black out just like the

2360
01:26:02,629 --> 01:26:02,159
very first time that it happened you

2361
01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:02,639
know but

2362
01:26:05,910 --> 01:26:04,000
when i saw it on the other side of the

2363
01:26:07,750 --> 01:26:05,920
window i i

2364
01:26:09,590 --> 01:26:07,760
after the shock of like blacked out the

2365
01:26:11,430 --> 01:26:09,600
next thing i know like i'm on the crap

2366
01:26:13,270 --> 01:26:11,440
you know surrounded by these things and

2367
01:26:13,910 --> 01:26:13,280
screaming like crazy as a little kid you

2368
01:26:15,990 --> 01:26:13,920
know

2369
01:26:17,030 --> 01:26:16,000
and uh but i would read the stuff i

2370
01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:17,040
talked about like where

2371
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:18,960
people said oh i was floated out you

2372
01:26:24,950 --> 01:26:21,120
know through the window through the look

2373
01:26:25,750 --> 01:26:24,960
whatever and it just bothered me like

2374
01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:25,760
wow all these

2375
01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:27,440
all these times that i've been taking

2376
01:26:32,550 --> 01:26:30,320
and i i don't know how they i don't know

2377
01:26:34,870 --> 01:26:32,560
how they get from point a to point b and

2378
01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:34,880
so because that was only a few years ago

2379
01:26:40,310 --> 01:26:36,560
so uh

2380
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:40,320
and then once once that happened

2381
01:26:46,470 --> 01:26:43,840
then it just it was uh like wow this is

2382
01:26:48,149 --> 01:26:46,480
this explains they're doing this

2383
01:26:50,470 --> 01:26:48,159
dimensional portals

2384
01:26:51,430 --> 01:26:50,480
this explains the whole paranormal

2385
01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:51,440
connection

2386
01:26:56,629 --> 01:26:54,480
as to why so many of us you know uh are

2387
01:26:57,510 --> 01:26:56,639
attracted are such an attractant to the

2388
01:26:59,669 --> 01:26:57,520
spirit world

2389
01:27:01,270 --> 01:26:59,679
and why we've had these uh certain

2390
01:27:04,629 --> 01:27:01,280
psychic abilities

2391
01:27:05,669 --> 01:27:04,639
uh and mine and funny enough and not

2392
01:27:08,950 --> 01:27:05,679
only just me but

2393
01:27:11,910 --> 01:27:08,960
uh there's a lot of us that these uh

2394
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:11,920
this psychic awareness seems to be uh

2395
01:27:14,229 --> 01:27:13,440
amplifying now that seems to be

2396
01:27:15,990 --> 01:27:14,239
increasing

2397
01:27:18,149 --> 01:27:16,000
i've been having more and more things

2398
01:27:19,590 --> 01:27:18,159
like uh and i'm not even trying you know

2399
01:27:20,709 --> 01:27:19,600
like we were walking to walmart the

2400
01:27:23,430 --> 01:27:20,719
other day and i looked at gene and i

2401
01:27:25,270 --> 01:27:23,440
said 176 that have popped in my head

2402
01:27:26,629 --> 01:27:25,280
because what's that i said that's what

2403
01:27:29,830 --> 01:27:26,639
our bill's going to be

2404
01:27:31,350 --> 01:27:29,840
and we went through it was 176.13 and i

2405
01:27:32,870 --> 01:27:31,360
wasn't even like you know

2406
01:27:34,390 --> 01:27:32,880
like even taking it that serious you

2407
01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:34,400
know but uh

2408
01:27:38,310 --> 01:27:36,960
and the other days these two little 11

2409
01:27:41,270 --> 01:27:38,320
year old girls were at a table

2410
01:27:42,709 --> 01:27:41,280
they were talking to one system about my

2411
01:27:45,990 --> 01:27:42,719
mama didn't make me breakfast

2412
01:27:47,430 --> 01:27:46,000
and and i says for some reason this

2413
01:27:49,189 --> 01:27:47,440
pops in my head and i said well how are

2414
01:27:51,350 --> 01:27:49,199
your lucky charms and she goes how did

2415
01:27:53,910 --> 01:27:51,360
you know i had lucky charms

2416
01:27:55,510 --> 01:27:53,920
and and the other girl goes i had lucky

2417
01:27:57,350 --> 01:27:55,520
charms too

2418
01:27:58,790 --> 01:27:57,360
you know so there's been a lot of freaky

2419
01:28:00,870 --> 01:27:58,800
stuff like that starting to happen

2420
01:28:02,390 --> 01:28:00,880
like this sort of premonition type thing

2421
01:28:04,310 --> 01:28:02,400
you know

2422
01:28:06,310 --> 01:28:04,320
and i'm just sort of embracing it you

2423
01:28:08,629 --> 01:28:06,320
know like well you know

2424
01:28:10,229 --> 01:28:08,639
but i've talked to others i don't know

2425
01:28:13,590 --> 01:28:10,239
why but it does seem to be

2426
01:28:15,430 --> 01:28:13,600
sort of increasing with a lot of us

2427
01:28:17,110 --> 01:28:15,440
well well i've heard the same thing as

2428
01:28:19,030 --> 01:28:17,120
well

2429
01:28:23,189 --> 01:28:19,040
how did you how did your wife handle

2430
01:28:26,950 --> 01:28:26,229
well she really has no memory of

2431
01:28:30,229 --> 01:28:26,960
anything

2432
01:28:32,149 --> 01:28:30,239
um there you know she i mean

2433
01:28:33,590 --> 01:28:32,159
well i can't say that for sure because

2434
01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:33,600
she she has had

2435
01:28:40,950 --> 01:28:37,199
a couple memories of uh babies

2436
01:28:44,229 --> 01:28:40,960
which has really bothered her um and

2437
01:28:45,189 --> 01:28:44,239
you know so she's she thinks there's

2438
01:28:48,310 --> 01:28:45,199
probably a connection

2439
01:28:49,510 --> 01:28:48,320
with that uh we had an incident where we

2440
01:28:52,870 --> 01:28:49,520
were both uh

2441
01:28:57,030 --> 01:28:52,880
one night taken um and

2442
01:29:00,390 --> 01:28:57,040
you know i did all the stuff like

2443
01:29:01,910 --> 01:29:00,400
cameras in the room and of course

2444
01:29:05,110 --> 01:29:01,920
you know they're going to shut them off

2445
01:29:07,030 --> 01:29:05,120
but i did leave a recorder one night

2446
01:29:08,709 --> 01:29:07,040
and this you guys might find this

2447
01:29:11,189 --> 01:29:08,719
interesting um

2448
01:29:12,629 --> 01:29:11,199
because we had an incident where uh we

2449
01:29:15,750 --> 01:29:12,639
woke up

2450
01:29:18,709 --> 01:29:15,760
i got up in the morning and i had

2451
01:29:22,070 --> 01:29:18,719
a gash i mean not just a scratch but i

2452
01:29:25,350 --> 01:29:22,080
mean a large gash

2453
01:29:28,950 --> 01:29:25,360
on my shin area of my leg

2454
01:29:29,590 --> 01:29:28,960
and uh gina came out of the bathroom and

2455
01:29:32,629 --> 01:29:29,600
i was like

2456
01:29:33,510 --> 01:29:32,639
whoa and she didn't notice it but she

2457
01:29:36,470 --> 01:29:33,520
had

2458
01:29:37,510 --> 01:29:36,480
almost matching uh about an inch and a

2459
01:29:40,470 --> 01:29:37,520
half

2460
01:29:41,430 --> 01:29:40,480
scratches on each side of her collarbone

2461
01:29:42,550 --> 01:29:41,440
um

2462
01:29:44,550 --> 01:29:42,560
almost like something that had her

2463
01:29:46,229 --> 01:29:44,560
around the neck you know and

2464
01:29:47,510 --> 01:29:46,239
of course some people say well with your

2465
01:29:47,990 --> 01:29:47,520
paranormal work you know you're going to

2466
01:29:51,350 --> 01:29:48,000
get

2467
01:29:51,990 --> 01:29:51,360
and that really has i've had like one

2468
01:29:54,709 --> 01:29:52,000
incident where

2469
01:29:55,189 --> 01:29:54,719
i've been scratched uh on my back you

2470
01:29:59,030 --> 01:29:55,199
know from

2471
01:30:02,390 --> 01:29:59,040
something like that but um i it for us

2472
01:30:05,510 --> 01:30:02,400
won't be taking that so we set up uh

2473
01:30:06,550 --> 01:30:05,520
recorders and cameras and stuff and it

2474
01:30:09,350 --> 01:30:06,560
was uh

2475
01:30:09,750 --> 01:30:09,360
just a couple nights after that that

2476
01:30:12,390 --> 01:30:09,760
that

2477
01:30:13,830 --> 01:30:12,400
uh we were do i was checking going back

2478
01:30:16,870 --> 01:30:13,840
over the recorder

2479
01:30:22,390 --> 01:30:20,709
evps in the in the room with us you know

2480
01:30:24,629 --> 01:30:22,400
and uh

2481
01:30:27,830 --> 01:30:24,639
gina's friend had just gave her uh this

2482
01:30:29,189 --> 01:30:27,840
large crystal and as a gift and

2483
01:30:31,669 --> 01:30:29,199
we helped her out you know she wanted to

2484
01:30:34,550 --> 01:30:31,679
try to pay back some way you know

2485
01:30:35,750 --> 01:30:34,560
and uh and so she had given her this uh

2486
01:30:38,950 --> 01:30:35,760
large crystal that she

2487
01:30:41,189 --> 01:30:38,960
had on her nightstand and

2488
01:30:42,470 --> 01:30:41,199
um they were commenting about the spirit

2489
01:30:43,750 --> 01:30:42,480
we were actually getting edps of the

2490
01:30:47,110 --> 01:30:43,760
spirits commenting about

2491
01:30:49,350 --> 01:30:47,120
the crystal is that right yeah

2492
01:30:50,790 --> 01:30:49,360
and i pissed gina good night and we you

2493
01:30:51,510 --> 01:30:50,800
could you could hear us say good night

2494
01:30:54,629 --> 01:30:51,520
to each other

2495
01:30:55,750 --> 01:30:54,639
and and then a female we had catch a

2496
01:30:59,669 --> 01:30:55,760
female evp

2497
01:31:00,950 --> 01:30:59,679
says i like that um so you know we knew

2498
01:31:02,790 --> 01:31:00,960
it was kind of freaking annoying like

2499
01:31:05,590 --> 01:31:02,800
we're going to bed and all these people

2500
01:31:06,709 --> 01:31:05,600
that we can't see or watching us but

2501
01:31:10,149 --> 01:31:06,719
later in the night

2502
01:31:13,590 --> 01:31:10,159
i hear this very strange uh

2503
01:31:14,550 --> 01:31:13,600
metallic type noise which i was not able

2504
01:31:16,390 --> 01:31:14,560
to debunk

2505
01:31:18,470 --> 01:31:16,400
and you know as a paranormal researcher

2506
01:31:19,350 --> 01:31:18,480
i mean you debunk first and then go from

2507
01:31:22,790 --> 01:31:19,360
there

2508
01:31:23,669 --> 01:31:22,800
and uh could not find any rational

2509
01:31:26,709 --> 01:31:23,679
explanation

2510
01:31:29,669 --> 01:31:26,719
as to what caused that noise and right

2511
01:31:37,110 --> 01:31:34,070
there's a male spirit you caught evp and

2512
01:31:40,229 --> 01:31:37,120
this this is very strange to hear

2513
01:31:45,189 --> 01:31:40,239
from the spirit world uh but he seemed

2514
01:31:48,310 --> 01:31:45,199
upset and he says oh my god oh my god

2515
01:31:52,470 --> 01:31:48,320
and you know my old thought was like

2516
01:31:54,709 --> 01:31:52,480
well what is he seeing uh

2517
01:31:55,910 --> 01:31:54,719
that you get something to that effect

2518
01:31:57,430 --> 01:31:55,920
you know because we knew they must have

2519
01:32:01,030 --> 01:31:57,440
been observing us

2520
01:32:02,870 --> 01:32:01,040
um and so you know

2521
01:32:04,310 --> 01:32:02,880
something must have happened that night

2522
01:32:05,430 --> 01:32:04,320
um you know

2523
01:32:07,510 --> 01:32:05,440
maybe it was associated with the

2524
01:32:09,830 --> 01:32:07,520
metallic sound um

2525
01:32:11,270 --> 01:32:09,840
you know there are uh i i usually have

2526
01:32:13,669 --> 01:32:11,280
precursors of an event

2527
01:32:14,310 --> 01:32:13,679
you know a humming sound uh it's

2528
01:32:15,430 --> 01:32:14,320
something that

2529
01:32:17,510 --> 01:32:15,440
i've been trying to bring a little bit

2530
01:32:18,070 --> 01:32:17,520
more into the forefront with with other

2531
01:32:22,310 --> 01:32:18,080
uh

2532
01:32:25,669 --> 01:32:22,320
sounds

2533
01:32:26,790 --> 01:32:25,679
uh because i i'm the only one when i'm i

2534
01:32:29,510 --> 01:32:26,800
hear the slow

2535
01:32:31,030 --> 01:32:29,520
pulsating humming sound uh and it's

2536
01:32:32,709 --> 01:32:31,040
usually happens for three or four days

2537
01:32:35,750 --> 01:32:32,719
and then there'll be an event

2538
01:32:39,030 --> 01:32:35,760
um and others that i've been talking to

2539
01:32:41,270 --> 01:32:39,040
i found uh one time

2540
01:32:43,189 --> 01:32:41,280
there was a friend of mine in kentucky

2541
01:32:45,669 --> 01:32:43,199
um the experiencer

2542
01:32:47,830 --> 01:32:45,679
and another guy that's about an hour

2543
01:32:51,030 --> 01:32:47,840
south of me here in tennessee

2544
01:32:54,470 --> 01:32:51,040
and all had remembered

2545
01:32:56,870 --> 01:32:54,480
having uh an event and all

2546
01:32:57,590 --> 01:32:56,880
at both of them uh because i asked if

2547
01:32:59,189 --> 01:32:57,600
you guys heard

2548
01:33:01,110 --> 01:32:59,199
you know this this humming sound you

2549
01:33:03,830 --> 01:33:01,120
know which they both

2550
01:33:04,310 --> 01:33:03,840
the same thing happened to them uh so we

2551
01:33:06,629 --> 01:33:04,320
were

2552
01:33:08,470 --> 01:33:06,639
all separated from each other but had an

2553
01:33:09,030 --> 01:33:08,480
event the same night it seemed like

2554
01:33:11,189 --> 01:33:09,040
anyway

2555
01:33:12,790 --> 01:33:11,199
we didn't see each other but uh you know

2556
01:33:14,629 --> 01:33:12,800
with the precursor of this the summing

2557
01:33:16,229 --> 01:33:14,639
sound you know so the metallic sound

2558
01:33:18,149 --> 01:33:16,239
uh it wasn't like the the humming sound

2559
01:33:20,310 --> 01:33:18,159
that i hear but uh i don't know if it

2560
01:33:23,430 --> 01:33:20,320
had something to do with the

2561
01:33:23,990 --> 01:33:23,440
uh with with it or not you know but uh

2562
01:33:25,430 --> 01:33:24,000
so we

2563
01:33:27,270 --> 01:33:25,440
you know with gina's case you know she

2564
01:33:29,590 --> 01:33:27,280
she has had a little bit of uh

2565
01:33:30,629 --> 01:33:29,600
you know memories and stuff like that

2566
01:33:33,830 --> 01:33:30,639
about the

2567
01:33:35,750 --> 01:33:33,840
babies and a couple of very unusual

2568
01:33:37,350 --> 01:33:35,760
elusive

2569
01:33:38,870 --> 01:33:37,360
it seems to be stemming from that as

2570
01:33:40,310 --> 01:33:38,880
well

2571
01:33:42,709 --> 01:33:40,320
and that's that's pretty much it you

2572
01:33:45,430 --> 01:33:42,719
know we probably think that

2573
01:33:47,669 --> 01:33:45,440
uh if anything they've implanted her you

2574
01:33:49,910 --> 01:33:47,679
know just to monitor

2575
01:33:51,350 --> 01:33:49,920
once again you know that's one of those

2576
01:33:52,790 --> 01:33:51,360
various parts about this whole thing and

2577
01:33:55,189 --> 01:33:52,800
to me is the implants

2578
01:33:56,470 --> 01:33:55,199
you know because i i think that you know

2579
01:34:03,430 --> 01:33:56,480
they

2580
01:34:04,550 --> 01:34:03,440
just like the biological robots i think

2581
01:34:07,669 --> 01:34:04,560
they attach

2582
01:34:09,270 --> 01:34:07,679
to you and become part of you and that

2583
01:34:11,030 --> 01:34:09,280
they can measure like your syntax

2584
01:34:14,390 --> 01:34:11,040
sensory information

2585
01:34:17,990 --> 01:34:14,400
allows them to uh see what we see

2586
01:34:20,390 --> 01:34:18,000
hear what we hear and possibly even can

2587
01:34:23,030 --> 01:34:20,400
control our thoughts or actions you know

2588
01:34:25,910 --> 01:34:23,040
and that part of it is very alarming

2589
01:34:28,470 --> 01:34:25,920
well brett i tell you what i want you to

2590
01:34:32,070 --> 01:34:28,480
keep in contact with us and let us know

2591
01:34:33,669 --> 01:34:32,080
what's going on uh and i would like to

2592
01:34:35,590 --> 01:34:33,679
have come back with us sometimes

2593
01:34:39,189 --> 01:34:35,600
definitely in the future

2594
01:34:40,629 --> 01:34:39,199
uh for sure sure uh i also want to hear

2595
01:34:41,669 --> 01:34:40,639
some more about your paranormal

2596
01:34:43,990 --> 01:34:41,679
investigations

2597
01:34:45,510 --> 01:34:44,000
other things you're coming you know

2598
01:34:48,470 --> 01:34:45,520
coming in contact with

2599
01:34:50,229 --> 01:34:48,480
because uh it sounds very interesting

2600
01:34:52,470 --> 01:34:50,239
and yeah there it there is a connection

2601
01:34:56,070 --> 01:34:52,480
i do believe that myself

2602
01:34:57,270 --> 01:34:56,080
so uh but then again you know do keep in

2603
01:34:58,950 --> 01:34:57,280
contact with me i

2604
01:35:00,790 --> 01:34:58,960
i really appreciate hearing what's going

2605
01:35:03,030 --> 01:35:00,800
on with you in your life

2606
01:35:03,910 --> 01:35:03,040
and so i will do i will be lonely and

2607
01:35:07,189 --> 01:35:03,920
sean i appreciate

2608
01:35:10,229 --> 01:35:07,199
you guys uh having me on uh uh

2609
01:35:12,950 --> 01:35:10,239
i enjoyed it and um you know what i uh

2610
01:35:18,470 --> 01:35:12,960
keep up the good work well thanks again

2611
01:35:22,229 --> 01:35:20,790
all right lon good interview there with

2612
01:35:26,070 --> 01:35:22,239
mr brett oldham

2613
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:29,990
yeah that was quite interesting

2614
01:35:34,470 --> 01:35:33,030
it's interesting because because his his

2615
01:35:36,149 --> 01:35:34,480
experiences

2616
01:35:38,790 --> 01:35:36,159
kind of parallel a lot of what's been

2617
01:35:41,430 --> 01:35:38,800
told to me over the years

2618
01:35:42,629 --> 01:35:41,440
and uh i find that i find that very

2619
01:35:43,270 --> 01:35:42,639
interesting in fact i'm going to be

2620
01:35:47,590 --> 01:35:43,280
going back

2621
01:35:51,030 --> 01:35:47,600
over some notes and start to um

2622
01:35:52,950 --> 01:35:51,040
start to check on what he said tonight

2623
01:35:54,950 --> 01:35:52,960
on some things that i've been hearing

2624
01:35:55,510 --> 01:35:54,960
that i just hadn't really correlated

2625
01:35:58,629 --> 01:35:55,520
before

2626
01:35:59,910 --> 01:35:58,639
but uh uh i think he did me he did me

2627
01:36:01,430 --> 01:35:59,920
some favors coming on the night and

2628
01:36:03,189 --> 01:36:01,440
talking to us

2629
01:36:06,070 --> 01:36:03,199
yeah and hopefully for folks that have

2630
01:36:07,430 --> 01:36:06,080
also gone through something similar it's

2631
01:36:09,030 --> 01:36:07,440
helped them in some way listen to

2632
01:36:13,510 --> 01:36:09,040
somebody who survived

2633
01:36:15,830 --> 01:36:13,520
many different visitations

2634
01:36:17,350 --> 01:36:15,840
and if you have and you want to talk

2635
01:36:18,870 --> 01:36:17,360
about it or you've had any type of

2636
01:36:21,750 --> 01:36:18,880
experiences

2637
01:36:23,189 --> 01:36:21,760
other than that as well feel free to

2638
01:36:25,430 --> 01:36:23,199
contact me

2639
01:36:26,709 --> 01:36:25,440
at uh lawn strickler fans and monsters

2640
01:36:30,070 --> 01:36:26,719
dot com

2641
01:36:33,030 --> 01:36:30,080
uh we do get a lot of interesting

2642
01:36:34,950 --> 01:36:33,040
experiences encounters and other such

2643
01:36:36,470 --> 01:36:34,960
and uh

2644
01:36:38,950 --> 01:36:36,480
hey you gotta if you've got a great

2645
01:36:41,669 --> 01:36:38,960
story we'll bring you on the radio

2646
01:36:43,109 --> 01:36:41,679
definitely you know next week uh who do

2647
01:36:45,590 --> 01:36:43,119
we got lon

2648
01:36:48,070 --> 01:36:45,600
oh i don't even remember david weatherly

2649
01:36:49,669 --> 01:36:48,080
i think it is david

2650
01:36:53,830 --> 01:36:49,679
and we'll find finally get david

2651
01:36:57,270 --> 01:36:55,830
well we had him on again didn't we it

2652
01:36:59,030 --> 01:36:57,280
was uh

2653
01:37:01,109 --> 01:36:59,040
been a couple times poor david always

2654
01:37:02,709 --> 01:37:01,119
gets the uh

2655
01:37:04,390 --> 01:37:02,719
that's terrible i always feel like an

2656
01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:04,400
[\h__\h] about it because we always

2657
01:37:08,870 --> 01:37:07,360
well i tell you and david's fun guy to

2658
01:37:12,070 --> 01:37:08,880
talk to him yeah

2659
01:37:13,350 --> 01:37:12,080
he's he's an incredible researcher and

2660
01:37:17,669 --> 01:37:13,360
uh

2661
01:37:19,990 --> 01:37:17,679
definitely we'll have a lot to talk

2662
01:37:23,510 --> 01:37:20,000
about next week with mr david weatherly

2663
01:37:25,430 --> 01:37:23,520
lon uh midweek and the show was

2664
01:37:27,510 --> 01:37:25,440
a big hit tonight a lot of live

2665
01:37:30,149 --> 01:37:27,520
listeners that we're not used to

2666
01:37:31,669 --> 01:37:30,159
a lot of folks listen to archives

2667
01:37:34,790 --> 01:37:31,679
listeners live

2668
01:37:38,470 --> 01:37:34,800
53 here 47 else where we had about 180

2669
01:37:40,950 --> 01:37:38,480
190 live listeners which is really cool

2670
01:37:42,470 --> 01:37:40,960
yeah that's great that's awesome and i

2671
01:37:43,430 --> 01:37:42,480
want to thank brett for coming on with

2672
01:37:46,709 --> 01:37:43,440
us that was that was

2673
01:37:48,950 --> 01:37:46,719
definitely thank you brett

2674
01:37:50,149 --> 01:37:48,960
so folks we'll we'll catch you next week

2675
01:37:52,550 --> 01:37:50,159
and um

2676
01:37:54,229 --> 01:37:52,560
it'll be monday night not wednesday back

2677
01:37:58,470 --> 01:37:54,239
to monday

2678
01:38:00,310 --> 01:37:58,480
and uh with mr david weatherly and uh

2679
01:38:02,149 --> 01:38:00,320
it'll be quite a show for more

2680
01:38:04,950 --> 01:38:02,159
information or any questions again

2681
01:38:06,270 --> 01:38:04,960
info arcane radio dot com visit our

2682
01:38:09,669 --> 01:38:06,280
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2683
01:38:11,470 --> 01:38:09,679
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2684
01:38:13,350 --> 01:38:11,480
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2685
01:38:14,830 --> 01:38:13,360
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2686
01:38:17,189 --> 01:38:14,840
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2687
01:38:19,990 --> 01:38:17,199
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2688
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2690
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2691
01:38:27,830 --> 01:38:26,639
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2692
01:38:30,310 --> 01:38:27,840
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2693
01:38:32,310 --> 01:38:30,320
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2694
01:38:34,310 --> 01:38:32,320
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2695
01:38:37,590 --> 01:38:34,320
there's a lot right there okay shit's

2696
01:38:41,990 --> 01:38:40,229
it's getting deep folks you've been

2697
01:38:43,189 --> 01:38:42,000
listening to arcane radio shawn fork or

2698
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